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you're in the para cast the

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gold-standard paranormal radio here's

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gene Steinberg well you know I realized

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this was going to happen neighbors as

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soon as we had Joshua Shapiro talking

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about the crystal skulls I felt he was

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somewhat gullible about the way he

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acquires evidence well after that I

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expected that we would get appropriate

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responses in our forms and Chris we did

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didn't we young I haven't really had a

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chance to go over most of them but I can

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I can just imagine what what certain

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people have been saying the key is one

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thing that Joshua said let me say he's a

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nice guy a really nice guy and we have

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two separate person's beliefs from the

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person someone I can believe what you

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may regard as something that's totally

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wacky but that's no reason to demonize

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that person you know there could be a

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good father good provider decent person

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charitable but maybe they have wacky

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beliefs or beliefs that you regard as

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wacky other people may find them not so

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wacky but the thing that bothered me was

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the point in the show where I said you

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can't expect science to disprove your

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claims it's up to you to make the proof

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available you have to prove it to them

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or they're not going to pay any

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attention to you I think that's a

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concept he had some difficulty

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understanding what do you think you know

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again having lived in a an aspiring kind

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of new-age town for 13 years and then

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having lived in the Sedona area now for

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almost seven you know I'm used to the

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kind of personalities that are looking

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for things to really sink their teeth in

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in terms of their their belief systems I

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mean we're seeing the breakdown of your

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organized religions I think to a certain

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extent and then they're just not

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supplying the the spiritual sustenance I

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think that that many people require to

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really try to be as kind and as

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neighborly as possible with people who

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have divergent belief systems from your

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own I think is is important you know

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there's a lot of people out there

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that they could really use something to

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believe in and there's there's foreign

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posters out there that don't believe in

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anything except the sanctity of the

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scientific method and I'm sorry that's

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not good enough I think science is

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leaving a lot of people called they're

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so detached they're so I reach our

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--is-- if you will that people are

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turning away from from just rational

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science and they're looking for

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something else to fulfill them in their

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lives and and you really have to take

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that into account and I find it you know

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heartening to me that people can have

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beliefs in something that's that gives

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them something to hold on to in these

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difficult times so I stand by my beliefs

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and you know I think like you we talk we

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both are trying to be as objective as we

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can and you know to each their own I

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really like Joshua he's been in touch

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with me sent me some emails he wants to

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know if I would like to help him out

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with a couple of projects of video

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projects and stuff and I think he's a

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really he's a genuine guy it's what you

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see is what you get and you can't knock

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a person like that the important thing I

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think is if you're going to really

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demonize anyone you demonize the thieves

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the Liars the people who deceive the

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people who defraud people like of course

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bill now who puts out pirated versions

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of people's intellectual property you

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demonize them because they're doing bad

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things they're hurting people but if you

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believe in something that some people

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think is wacky is that such a big deal

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well to each their own like I said and

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you know I think it's important for the

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pair of cows to to open up to these new

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subjects like crystal skulls for

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instance possibly you know get on a

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medium or - I worked with a couple of

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extremely talented mediums who have just

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blown my mind with their ability and get

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kind of stir it up a little bit I think

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it's important that we look at all

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divergent belief systems around the

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paranormal and do some exploring and I

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think that this is good positive things

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will come from that well you know a long

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time ago and other administration here

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when we had different co-hosts we did an

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episode on remote viewing okay and we

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actually had a test and you know what

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the remote viewer passed the test in

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other words he was able to see something

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that he shouldn't have been able to see

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but you know what he got banned from

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our forms anyway and that's something

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that we're also going to change we had

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somebody else this weekend gets a letter

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saying hey we send these reminders every

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so often

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hey you're sending me an email saying

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you miss us at the forums but you banned

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me right so I wrote back and I said why

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were you banned and he said I was banned

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because I posted something on some site

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that was unacceptable to a former forum

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moderator and I said is that it yes okay

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you're back in you know it's one thing

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you're a softy it's one thing to be

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skeptical it's another thing to just

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take everybody who disagrees with you

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and say leave me alone don't post on the

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forums go away

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goodbye okay as most of you know there

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is now a best-selling book called area

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51 uncensored the history of America's

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top secret military base but someone

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named Annie Jacobsen and she has this

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deep throat source since outed by a UFO

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researcher Anthony brighella and this

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deep throat says that the Roswell crash

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was really an exercise by the Russians

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to fool us and they disfigured 13-year

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old pilots to make them look like alien

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beings does that sound sensible to you I

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don't know I think we should get her on

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the show and maybe throw a Nick into the

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mix because it kind of has a body

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snatches in the desert kind of ring to

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it I'm sure that that Nick would get a

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kick out of out of speaking with her and

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and maybe maybe we should do a show on

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this this this is very intriguing well I

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would certainly want to look into you

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know the explanation du jour of Roswell

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this one sounds a little bit wacky you

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know but the person supposedly outed by

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Anthony begala is real I mean this is a

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real person who actually made a real

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statement with regard to this crazy

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quilt theory yeah yeah the guy we're

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talking about a guy named Alfred

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O'Donnell well he was a scientist very

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well no scientist from the 50s and 60s

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nine years old right now and there's an

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interview at 4:00 Galya site where he

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discusses it but basically the guy says

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practically nothing other than to

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confirm that he is the source he

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provides no greater insights which is

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unfortunate yeah it doesn't matter how

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how you look at Roswell dude it's just

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and how many Forks should try to stick

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and do it it's just not gonna it's just

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not gonna go away I think it's like the

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JFK assassination it's become you know

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it's become a monolithic paranormal

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event it will never be never be solved

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and I don't know I I just I find it very

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intriguing that that these just bizarre

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off-the-wall theories are proposed and

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and and it each one makes as much sense

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as the next one so but I don't know

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Josef Mengele what was that Josef

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Mengele and then Stalin I think the crux

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of it is they're trying to scare the US

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government by doing something like this

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motivation or how something like this

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could get pulled off but they were

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diverse why would the government then

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say it's a balloon

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it's a mogul balloon or they give a

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couple of different explanations various

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types of balloons but never say you know

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what it was a dirty trick by the

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Russians that would actually sound

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better you know I think in terms of

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public information if you're in a cold

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war atmosphere you want to demonize the

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Russian speaking of demonizing people

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you say hey look what they try to do

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they tried to make us think that each he

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had landed you know yeah well I don't

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know it's just it doesn't really to me

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it just it doesn't stack up I think some

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pulling something like that off would

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just be way too difficult you know oh

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what can you do you know you just gotta

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keep looking at all the crazy theories

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that are out there about Roswell and

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maybe we should throw them all into a

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time and stir it up and start pulling

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them out we'll do it hope the last one

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the short stick is the answer to Roswell

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as well as the short stick today we're

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going to stay in the 1950s a bit too

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about a guy named Captain Edward ruppelt

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maybe he didn't hear of him of course

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you might have heard of his book the

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report on unidentified flying objects

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which was a major book in the 50s but

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also he's the guy who coined the term

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unidentified flying object or UFOs and

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we have a reissuance of a book a

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biography of Captain rappelled from :

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Bennett entitled flying saucers over the

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White House the inside story of Captain

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Edward J ruppelt and his official US Air

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Force investigation of UFOs I'm Jean

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Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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welcome from the UK : Bennett he is

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author of a reissued book called flying

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saucers over the White House it's all

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about the late captain Edward ruppelt

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who coined the term UFO Cohen Bennett

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welcome to the powertest the I guess

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first point to raise about this is in

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the modern era

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captain rappel is long forgotten yes yes

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he was until my book arrived why did you

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pick him as a subject for a book well

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because first of all this is a ray of

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hope for the year of her the first way

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of hope from the United States Air Force

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because after 1968 the United States Air

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Force didn't want to know about UFOs and

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they don't want to know about UFOs no

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but this is the story

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an enlightened phase in in in the

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airport history they supported the

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creation of a project Bluebook which was

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to objectively determine the UFO

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phenomenon had been several reports

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rather haphazard and ill organized

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reports before Operation Blue Book would

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they come to nothing they employed very

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clever men I'm talking about the period

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before 1952 that employed very clever

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men such as Samuel Gujrat the physicist

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and indeed

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Hynek the physicist and they were both

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negative at that time Hynek professor

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Heinrich wants to change his opinion but

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that's another matter you know in the

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good snitch

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was the investigator I just started the

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war into the Nazi atomic weapon and he

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found it was a half completed indeed so

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he was a very distinguished man he was

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one of the men typical of Berlin who

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asked to report on the UFO and he was

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totally negative

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it was just absolute nonsense people's

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fantasies allusions mistakes and it gone

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nowhere a a we go now to 1952

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now the 80 I see the intelligence arm of

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technical intelligence command was

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headed by Colonel Rosengarten an

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enlightened man with open opinions and

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he decided to form in 1952 a completely

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different approach

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he created Operation Blue Book and this

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turns for the secret operation to

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objectively scientifically examine the

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youthful phenomenon well they're coming

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over clear you're fine fine and clear

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okay I'll continue the youthful

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phenomenon

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he first of all he look around to talent

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and he found young captain repels not it

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was John who joined up again

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well I enlisted by the because of the

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Korean War and a little word about group

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out route out captain Rupert was young

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United States Air Force captain and

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joining in the war he served on janay an

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island in the Pacific and he was a b-29

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Bombardier and navigator and somehow

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young captain Rupert always had a

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connection always had a connection to

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historical events he seemed to mix in

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with historical great historical events

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in this case whilst he was on tener

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selling is a Bombardier and and that

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lead navigator of the b-29 groups and

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yeah he could possibly have seen another

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game take off Winston continent with the

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first nuclear weapon heading to her Raja

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now if there'd be an accident or in turn

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something as simple as influenza

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he currently the replacement in Enola

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Gay and I've seen Hiroshima through the

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cross hairs of his Norden bombsight

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which is a very narrow one of the things

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I noticed in the book here is you try to

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portray America during World War two and

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after in the eyes of a young military

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officer like him and Lubell now now the

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one question I have here is did you get

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a chance to talk to relatives of his or

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do other research to learn more about

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his background no I didn't because I

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live in Britain and an expedition like

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that well it would be an expensive

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Commission that's another question I

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don't assert South America and that

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would cost money this book was written

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playin bat not on a commission and yes

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indeed there and so he served on to name

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and I had this Larry and a few days

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later of course authoring Ella gay

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boxcar took off from Chania with the

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second nuclear weapon now he's a very

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young now and this sense of powerful

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history moving in powerful ways must

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have affected you he started to have

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really a great vision of technology

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warfare and so on at this time in turn

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and they didn't know the word nuclear

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they thought it was a super kind of

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explosive they were soon to learn very

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differently so after the war he was what

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we call in britain do mobs from the air

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force and being our technical bent he

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went into the aircraft industry as a

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technician so there we haven't and he

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got married the civilian life suited him

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he was happy until of course for a lot

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of young americans again the korean war

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happened and he had to go to the Air

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Force as an enlisted em and he joined

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because of his qualifications and his

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brains and his knowledge which were

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outstanding even though he was captain

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even though it's at the captain and

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knowing that if I make his brains his

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knowledge I'm impressed

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Colonel rozum cotton who was head of

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attic air technical intelligence at

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wright-patterson Air Force Base which as

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still as I understand it a major center

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of air intelligence and technology out

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of his time in fact it was an early the

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wright-patterson base attic wasn't very

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early standing for what we now call area

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51 it had that same kind of legendary

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and there said root don't get into more

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of this in a moment okay so there's no

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confusion ladies and gentlemen

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throughout this interview Colin's going

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to refer to Project Blue Book as

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Operation Blue Book

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I'm not going to correct them each and

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every time I don't think that's

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important there are some other errors in

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the book that I'll also correct but this

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one I wanted to clarify right now our

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guest is Colin Bennett the book is

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called flying saucers over the White

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House I'm gene Steinberg the co-host is

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[Music]

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out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

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you get a ticket or have to deal with a

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00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:14,080
big bad IRS instead use escaped

546
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:18,130
harassment calm since 1972 our volunteer

547
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:20,170
group of researchers and educators have

548
00:25:24,810 --> 00:25:21,850
successfully taught how to escape

549
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:24,820
tickets by law and it works escaped

550
00:25:28,740 --> 00:25:26,890
harassment has three different steps to

551
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follow depending on where you are in the

552
00:25:34,110 --> 00:25:30,640
ticket process learn how to escape

553
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tickets IRS or court proceedings before

554
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you go to court for free three-minute

555
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,980
pre-recorded information and fa Q's call

556
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:41,440
this toll-free number one eight seven

557
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seven four five seven nine zero zero

558
00:25:50,610 --> 00:25:46,930
nine that's eight seven seven four five

559
00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:50,620
seven nine double o nine or go to escape

560
00:25:55,980 --> 00:25:53,350
harassment calm and see our money-back

561
00:25:59,070 --> 00:25:55,990
guarantee that's escaped harassment calm

562
00:26:02,550 --> 00:25:59,080
remember escape harassment works

563
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:02,560
he looks five years younger he doesn't

564
00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:04,570
fall asleep at his desk like he used to

565
00:26:09,390 --> 00:26:06,550
he no longer drinks those energy drinks

566
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:09,400
all day he used to be gloomy now he's

567
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:10,090
upbeat

568
00:26:14,850 --> 00:26:12,610
he obviously has lost weight he's now

569
00:26:17,820 --> 00:26:14,860
drinking Moringa in the morning from Big

570
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Joe us Moringa is a delicious all

571
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572
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miracle Moringa tree considered by many

573
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to be the most nutrient rich plant ever

574
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discovered Moringa in the morning will

575
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suppress cravings for junk food and

576
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energy drinks and make you feel like a

577
00:26:34,770 --> 00:26:32,290
kid again

578
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drink Moringa in the morning available

579
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from Big Joe us

580
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that's b.i.g jo e dot us vibrant health

581
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is just a click or call away at big joe

582
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dot us or 800

583
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five oh three oh five one five eight

584
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hundred five oh three zero five one five

585
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that's 800 five oh three zero five one

586
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five drink Moringa in the morning are

587
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588
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590
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591
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Carnival radio we return with : Bennett

592
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the book is flying saucers over the

593
00:27:38,419 --> 00:27:35,490
white house the inside story of Captain

594
00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:38,429
Edward J ruppelt and his official US Air

595
00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:40,860
Force investigation of UFOs we're

596
00:27:46,879 --> 00:27:43,950
covering his background and how he came

597
00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:46,889
to become selected as a head of Project

598
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:49,080
Blue Book you want to continue with that

599
00:27:53,899 --> 00:27:51,659
early description please yes and they

600
00:27:56,779 --> 00:27:53,909
can't read it Rosengarten chose him as

601
00:28:00,289 --> 00:27:56,789
an exceptionally gifted young technician

602
00:28:03,499 --> 00:28:00,299
the rank of captain into attic air

603
00:28:07,970 --> 00:28:03,509
technical intelligence command now I'm

604
00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:07,980
just going to repeat that in 1952 a key

605
00:28:16,460 --> 00:28:10,620
IC at wright-patterson Air Force Base

606
00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:16,470
had the same reputation that area 51 now

607
00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:18,990
you mean in terms of secret weapons

608
00:28:26,659 --> 00:28:21,240
development and that kind of thing yes

609
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,669
yes yeah and although the area 51 and

610
00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,279
the unand heed the area area 51 was

611
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:31,620
hardly in existence then advocates stood

612
00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:34,169
in its place as far as a legendary

613
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:36,840
center of Technology air technology was

614
00:28:43,879 --> 00:28:40,049
concerned and so the the first chance

615
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:43,889
that Colonel rozum gun gave to captain

616
00:28:53,869 --> 00:28:48,570
Rico was not the UFO but analysis of the

617
00:28:56,060 --> 00:28:53,879
captured mig-15 and this dyslexic teen

618
00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:56,070
was a Russian fighter which was giving

619
00:29:01,519 --> 00:28:57,779
the Americans terrible problems in

620
00:29:04,460 --> 00:29:01,529
Korean in Korea it was an ugly brute but

621
00:29:07,399 --> 00:29:04,470
I'm brilliant construction and it was

622
00:29:12,049 --> 00:29:07,409
giving American fighters like the f-86

623
00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:12,059
later some problems the f-86 sabre was a

624
00:29:18,259 --> 00:29:14,700
thought that he had machine if you like

625
00:29:20,269 --> 00:29:18,269
don't the mig-15 but it had to have a

626
00:29:24,919 --> 00:29:20,279
damn good pilot in order to stand up to

627
00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:24,929
it they captured a mig-15 Inca in Korea

628
00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:27,340
which it crash-landed they've taken it

629
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:30,430
to wright-patterson Air Force Base to be

630
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:33,130
totally analyzed because they were very

631
00:29:39,690 --> 00:29:37,030
surprised at Russian technical advance

632
00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:39,700
in the fighter day and general aircraft

633
00:29:48,420 --> 00:29:43,900
direction and so and Luca lot said about

634
00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:48,430
this task as only he knew he analyzed

635
00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:51,430
the the armament the characteristics and

636
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:55,720
also they learned a lot about and then

637
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:58,090
clowned I mean is interesting it in his

638
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:01,600
self to any air enthusiasts they found

639
00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:04,720
it was very surprised at the the

640
00:30:11,220 --> 00:30:07,630
mid-construction the engine particularly

641
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:11,230
was very advanced titanium alloy and the

642
00:30:17,550 --> 00:30:15,310
the cannon in the nose was also very

643
00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:17,560
advanced and they were they were getting

644
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:20,350
a bit windy about this because it was

645
00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:24,370
the equivalent to the saber only with a

646
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:27,550
potato saver at 86 had a good pilot

647
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:30,880
anyway and so this was this was new

648
00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:34,000
health challenge at Air Attic producing

649
00:30:40,790 --> 00:30:38,620
drawings and and taking apart every

650
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:40,800
single bit and the mig-15

651
00:30:46,410 --> 00:30:45,490
okay why Luther was doing this he was in

652
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:46,420
an office

653
00:30:52,170 --> 00:30:49,330
he'd probably not heard the word UFO not

654
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:52,180
many people had he was in office in

655
00:30:58,530 --> 00:30:55,290
which he nurtured a gaggle of rather

656
00:31:02,040 --> 00:30:58,540
supercilious officers gather around

657
00:31:04,350 --> 00:31:02,050
documents and they were hanging out of

658
00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:04,360
the time taking the mickey as we say in

659
00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:08,950
britain out of this strange project that

660
00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:11,080
they had and will point inquired about

661
00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:13,480
this strange project and found this is

662
00:31:19,230 --> 00:31:15,990
about unidentified flying objects and

663
00:31:23,310 --> 00:31:19,240
the this this group were in command of

664
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:23,320
the research into UFO object and they

665
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:25,090
were just taking the mickey they weren't

666
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:26,170
taking any notice

667
00:31:32,820 --> 00:31:29,490
they were giggling they were they were

668
00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:32,830
super seriously laughing at it silly

669
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:34,800
season then

670
00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:39,930
silly season to them yeah

671
00:31:45,170 --> 00:31:43,560
and writing multiple also made a few

672
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:45,180
remarks about this

673
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:48,650
everything is nutrient fascinating and

674
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:51,240
curtness this is Li the Lynch the

675
00:31:57,740 --> 00:31:53,940
linchpin of the whole business corrosion

676
00:32:02,540 --> 00:31:57,750
gone was fed up with this group of very

677
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:02,550
superficial people and decided to fish

678
00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:06,210
group out as the mig-15 business which

679
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:07,860
could have been dealt with by you know

680
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:12,050
several other common confident people

681
00:32:20,030 --> 00:32:16,050
into the UFO project and this is a very

682
00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:20,040
real benchmarking is raises because Luca

683
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:24,150
was chosen because he was not only quite

684
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:26,010
brilliant at the technology and

685
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:30,720
up-to-date he was open-minded that was a

686
00:32:39,460 --> 00:32:34,170
bit that was the main reason why he was

687
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:39,470
chosen to to launch the project Bluebook

688
00:32:47,780 --> 00:32:43,890
which it was appointed head a project

689
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:47,790
Bluebook and they're impressed

690
00:32:53,660 --> 00:32:50,370
Carlos agon with his views on the

691
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:53,670
subject open-minded views and prejudiced

692
00:33:02,030 --> 00:32:56,370
views and deep technical knowledge about

693
00:33:06,830 --> 00:33:02,040
such thing now he was given a small

694
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:06,840
staff and the big thing Wilco did was to

695
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:10,860
totally reorganize the project he got in

696
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:16,250
a whole survey of the sightings

697
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:19,440
sightings were coming into Haiti I see

698
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:22,440
had a great rate they didn't know what

699
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:24,450
the hell they were and so Rupert

700
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:28,260
organized a grid system as to sort out

701
00:33:35,270 --> 00:33:32,370
what kind of psyching it was analyzed

702
00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:35,280
the weather at the time the disposition

703
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:37,950
of the caller the source of the

704
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:41,310
information and implement also

705
00:33:49,010 --> 00:33:45,570
information on Heights speed and and

706
00:33:53,380 --> 00:33:49,020
general characteristics of the UFO

707
00:34:00,350 --> 00:33:57,500
dictionary if you like from professional

708
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,360
Air Force pilots because they were the

709
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:03,600
as is the way of organizations they were

710
00:34:10,070 --> 00:34:05,700
the ones that they were really really

711
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:10,080
interested in you know professional air

712
00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:14,730
for civilian pilots and also military

713
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:17,580
pilots were reporting these strange damn

714
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:20,129
things sixty years later they're still

715
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:22,200
doing that now one thing that was

716
00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:25,800
interesting here is to make the subject

717
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:28,889
seem were serious he changed the name he

718
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:31,139
didn't by using flying saucers

719
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:34,200
he went with unidentified flying objects

720
00:34:43,550 --> 00:34:37,859
how did that happen oh well you know the

721
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:43,560
services they love acronyms and in

722
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:49,520
Europe as a kind of acronym for you know

723
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,700
some long-winded name and that that's my

724
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:55,919
answer to your question they love

725
00:35:04,490 --> 00:34:59,760
acronyms abbreviations and shortened

726
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:04,500
Americas and okay so when a servant

727
00:35:11,980 --> 00:35:09,000
organizes its filters and grids it was a

728
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:11,990
very large to come this new framework

729
00:35:17,570 --> 00:35:15,690
that's re astonishing phenomena which

730
00:35:21,460 --> 00:35:17,580
they probably didn't credit criticize I

731
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:21,470
saw they probably then christened UFO

732
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:26,160
military pilots of all ranks and all

733
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,300
degrees are nobility were reporting lots

734
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:32,640
and lots of unidentified flying objects

735
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:35,940
on different shapes and sizes and speeds

736
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:41,160
and characteristics and it was realized

737
00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:45,180
that they had a genuine phenomenon on

738
00:35:51,020 --> 00:35:48,270
earth this is a big break a genuine

739
00:35:55,940 --> 00:35:51,030
phenomenon lands instead of conic cuts

740
00:36:00,560 --> 00:35:55,950
instead of eccentric people this was a

741
00:36:05,810 --> 00:36:00,570
definite locatable solid phenomenon so

742
00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:05,820
after they'd established that big 64

743
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:06,580
tell equation

744
00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:10,510
you know what Alan they were performing

745
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:13,150
these objects were performing as they do

746
00:36:21,620 --> 00:36:19,530
now okay and part of it was

747
00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:21,630
scientifically interesting

748
00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:24,670
technologically interesting incredible

749
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:27,880
speeds were reported and as far as

750
00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:30,610
incredible maneuvers when the sky was

751
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,230
the limit I'd say well we'll get into

752
00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:34,240
more of this in a moment we have : been

753
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:35,830
at the book is flying saucers over the

754
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:38,530
White House about the life and times at

755
00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:41,170
least in terms of the UFO project of

756
00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:43,900
Captain Edward J ruppelt and if you have

757
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,640
a comment or a question about the power

758
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:47,680
cast write us news at the Peres cast

759
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:50,320
comm once again that's news at the Peres

760
00:36:55,530 --> 00:36:53,650
cast comm we will read each and every

761
00:36:57,330 --> 00:36:55,540
message we get that's a promise the

762
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:57,340
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

763
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764
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so here's what happened I was placing an

765
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766
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70 before time runs out

818
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but survivalist calm hi this is Ted

819
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Anderson have you ever wondered why

820
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banks stockbrokers investment advisors

821
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won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

822
00:39:40,579 --> 00:39:38,849
available since 1986 yet the financial

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industry won't recognize the value of

824
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gold for your retirement goal has

825
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outperformed paper investments yet no

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834
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835
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836
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837
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839
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840
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844
00:41:29,530 --> 00:41:28,010
we're back with : Bennett the book is

845
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:29,540
flying saucers over the White House

846
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:33,540
reissued now there also have a reissued

847
00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:35,910
copy of captain rappels book the report

848
00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:38,220
on unidentified flying objects the

849
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:40,350
co-host Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg

850
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:42,690
obviously we can't describe the whole

851
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:44,910
book and the spate of a couple of hours

852
00:41:51,260 --> 00:41:47,610
but maybe we could focus on a few points

853
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:51,270
here now one thing that interested me in

854
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:53,610
reading the book is that they didn't

855
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:55,740
have a huge budget I mean it's not that

856
00:42:00,920 --> 00:41:59,010
he was able to commandeer a jet and fly

857
00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:00,930
across the country to investigate these

858
00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:02,820
sightings he had to take a bus he had to

859
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:06,990
take a car he had to take a train they

860
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:11,030
didn't have all these extravagances well

861
00:42:16,580 --> 00:42:14,370
as you pointed out see we have see we

862
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:16,590
have to realize that military

863
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:20,720
organizations are extremely if you like

864
00:42:27,650 --> 00:42:23,700
politically conservative this was such a

865
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:27,660
strange subject that Colonel Rosengarten

866
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:33,570
was God I had guarded enthusiasm yes he

867
00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:36,660
got a hold of real talk yes who felt was

868
00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:39,360
doing his job very well but military

869
00:42:44,180 --> 00:42:41,790
conservatives and said we're gonna get

870
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,190
into trouble here because any minute

871
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,040
need to stop on the Air Force he's going

872
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:50,400
to ask a conservative to a man and woman

873
00:42:55,940 --> 00:42:54,180
I gotta say what the Hamill's guy off

874
00:42:59,390 --> 00:42:55,950
well they do about it but they weren't

875
00:43:02,180 --> 00:42:59,400
paying attention is that it I didn't get

876
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:02,190
you that they knew it was going on but

877
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:03,510
they weren't really taking it too

878
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:06,900
seriously is that the point no they were

879
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:10,020
very very scared of it now the reason

880
00:43:13,180 --> 00:43:11,880
why they were scared of it and the

881
00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:13,190
reason why they're scared of it today

882
00:43:20,780 --> 00:43:18,060
was that here you have a prestigious

883
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:20,790
military force the United States Air

884
00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:25,410
Force it's allied it's spared the

885
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:27,180
military-industrial complex

886
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:29,910
it contains it sorry it

887
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:33,720
it takes men of terrific distinguished

888
00:43:38,990 --> 00:43:34,500
careers

889
00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:39,000
it is the establishment if you like part

890
00:43:45,310 --> 00:43:40,950
of the American military-industrial

891
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:45,320
complex establishment careers names

892
00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:47,880
reputations depend on the

893
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:50,940
military-industrial establishment now

894
00:43:55,850 --> 00:43:53,130
you can go as high as you like but if

895
00:43:59,230 --> 00:43:55,860
you start causing trouble oh brother

896
00:44:02,300 --> 00:43:59,240
you're gonna wish you never involved and

897
00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:02,310
colonel was a Gundam as it knew that

898
00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:05,670
this was going to be a problem if the

899
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:10,140
project grew very big very effective I'm

900
00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:13,050
very enjoyed and so there was a

901
00:44:17,570 --> 00:44:15,120
political problem pure clearly a

902
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:17,580
political problem and may have been why

903
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:22,980
he chose a a captain some loora looral

904
00:44:32,210 --> 00:44:26,790
rank yes and he chose each other a

905
00:44:35,300 --> 00:44:32,220
captain very brilliant man but oddly low

906
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:35,310
rank as far as infants concerned and he

907
00:44:42,590 --> 00:44:38,850
made sure raising gun as a conservative

908
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:42,600
himself okay that the Project Blue Book

909
00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:47,520
was what choice a cobbled Hubble that is

910
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:50,790
get down to level : one thing that comes

911
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:52,410
through real loud and clear in the book

912
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:54,420
and in this is one of the things that I

913
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,970
like about it the most is what you've

914
00:45:02,180 --> 00:44:59,040
done is you've analyzed repeal its own

915
00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:02,190
own book report on unidentified flying

916
00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:04,500
objects yeah and you've read between the

917
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:07,800
lines you've kind of looked at it the

918
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:10,710
way that whoop out language certain

919
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:12,900
thoughts and the way he describes

920
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:14,490
certain situations and and what you've

921
00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:16,170
done is you've analyzed that and you've

922
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:18,750
kind of read between the lines and come

923
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:20,610
up with a very intriguing scenario that

924
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:23,010
the Air Force pretty early on was

925
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:25,140
divided into true believers that really

926
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:26,330
felt that this was something

927
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:28,680
extraordinary that that had nothing to

928
00:45:33,740 --> 00:45:30,570
do with the Soviets had nothing to do

929
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:33,750
with earthly technology have the the

930
00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:36,090
reverse side that that tended to be the

931
00:45:40,070 --> 00:45:38,220
the cold warriors who were very paranoid

932
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:40,080
about the whole thing and and some of

933
00:45:45,089 --> 00:45:42,330
them were so dismiss

934
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,099
dismissive of it they wouldn't even play

935
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,440
ball and they wouldn't even help help

936
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,359
with Nate with the actual research and

937
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:51,760
he investigation why don't you describe

938
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,359
the dynamic between those two camps

939
00:46:01,830 --> 00:45:56,800
between those two camps the true

940
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:01,840
believers in dismissive of oh no I'm not

941
00:46:07,410 --> 00:46:04,150
gonna be disrespectful or insulting here

942
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:07,420
I don't mean this in any negative way

943
00:46:13,410 --> 00:46:09,730
because I'm married to an American I

944
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:13,420
love her and I love America but the

945
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:16,330
America any military establishment has

946
00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:19,450
the mind of super policemen that's what

947
00:46:23,250 --> 00:46:20,140
they're there for

948
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:23,260
to please the clinic yeah no prejudice

949
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:29,890
to try and please the planet they are

950
00:46:36,570 --> 00:46:34,170
they are a military organization and

951
00:46:38,370 --> 00:46:36,580
they're not they're not a satiric

952
00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:38,380
they're not into witchcraft they're not

953
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:40,270
in Vanessa see them and they're more

954
00:46:49,260 --> 00:46:46,260
hold on a second now if you go to the

955
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,270
Pentagon in Washington DC and you go to

956
00:46:54,359 --> 00:46:51,280
the Pentagon mall and you go into the

957
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:54,369
Barnes & Noble book store you will find

958
00:47:00,450 --> 00:46:56,890
one of the largest occult sections I

959
00:47:02,730 --> 00:47:00,460
have ever seen in any library is in that

960
00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:02,740
bookstore there are row upon row upon

961
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:07,030
row of books on the occult mysticism the

962
00:47:13,980 --> 00:47:10,930
new-age witchcraft any subject under the

963
00:47:17,579 --> 00:47:13,990
Sun in the paranormal is represented in

964
00:47:20,190 --> 00:47:17,589
it just uh it sounds of books on these

965
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:20,200
subjects so I wouldn't go as far as to

966
00:47:23,310 --> 00:47:22,000
say that the entire establishment is not

967
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,320
interested in these subjects because

968
00:47:27,420 --> 00:47:25,599
within within the stone's throw of the

969
00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:27,430
Pentagon you have one of the largest you

970
00:47:35,370 --> 00:47:29,560
know occult sections of any bookstore

971
00:47:40,349 --> 00:47:35,380
I've ever seen 2011 we're actually

972
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,359
talking about 1952 no true thanks

973
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:42,880
frankly if I had the opportunity to

974
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,210
interview Chief memories stuff in the

975
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:48,160
years that United States Air Force the

976
00:47:55,380 --> 00:47:50,050
last thing I'd mention will be our code

977
00:47:59,820 --> 00:47:55,390
isn't the kind of schizophrenia yes

978
00:48:02,040 --> 00:47:59,830
you know they're extremely I think yeah

979
00:48:04,110 --> 00:48:02,050
I got anything saying there may be

980
00:48:05,790 --> 00:48:04,120
bookstores there like that they may be

981
00:48:09,540 --> 00:48:05,800
secret readers of these books you

982
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:09,550
mentioned but publicly found here oh boy

983
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:16,000
they just deny you first explicitly 100%

984
00:48:27,450 --> 00:48:22,890
they in in 68 the Air Force nominated

985
00:48:30,660 --> 00:48:27,460
professor Condon and extremely down from

986
00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:30,670
radical skeptic to former committee

987
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:35,260
which was engineered to put down the UFO

988
00:48:42,270 --> 00:48:39,520
Kate for good and this committee was

989
00:48:45,540 --> 00:48:42,280
held and held it interviewed all the you

990
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:45,550
for expert and was a deliberately

991
00:48:53,340 --> 00:48:50,410
engineered put down all such esoteric

992
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:53,350
what they called esoteric things the if

993
00:48:59,900 --> 00:48:56,220
the air force was going to exist at all

994
00:49:04,340 --> 00:48:59,910
if the Air Force is gonna exist at all

995
00:49:07,170 --> 00:49:04,350
it was going to consist of mechanics

996
00:49:10,970 --> 00:49:07,180
scientists and people didn't believe in

997
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:10,980
such ridiculous things check on it as

998
00:49:19,220 --> 00:49:16,450
your first which were indefinable and

999
00:49:23,340 --> 00:49:19,230
well you're a would result of

1000
00:49:25,950 --> 00:49:23,350
misidentifications etc etc no since that

1001
00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:25,960
report that was the official United

1002
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:28,750
States Air Force report since the Condon

1003
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:32,770
report in 68 that has been the United

1004
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:35,760
States Air Force unenlightened attitude

1005
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:40,690
shut down the lid on this UFO that they

1006
00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:46,240
did in 68 and if you were to inquire of

1007
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:49,750
the air force now officially statement

1008
00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:53,650
on UFOs they would say and they're known

1009
00:50:01,680 --> 00:49:57,220
as for a fact the Air Force commissioned

1010
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:01,690
dr. Edward Condon in 68 and that is the

1011
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:04,560
Air Force's official position in 211

1012
00:50:09,029 --> 00:50:07,930
that there's nothing to it and they

1013
00:50:11,849 --> 00:50:09,039
found it they

1014
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:11,859
killed it you know and I'm telling the

1015
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:13,089
truth you I mean anything

1016
00:50:17,669 --> 00:50:15,609
lazy unbelievable so the Air Force did

1017
00:50:20,429 --> 00:50:17,679
the Air Force want nothing

1018
00:50:23,069 --> 00:50:20,439
hello sure but let's go back to captain

1019
00:50:29,309 --> 00:50:23,079
repo again he only lasted what 18 months

1020
00:50:31,949 --> 00:50:29,319
in this position so what was the reason

1021
00:50:35,819 --> 00:50:31,959
that he left was he forced out or did he

1022
00:50:38,370 --> 00:50:35,829
say this is enough from oh no he was in

1023
00:50:41,819 --> 00:50:38,380
this in that and the end of the mission

1024
00:50:45,870 --> 00:50:41,829
became so at that point he has the

1025
00:50:50,130 --> 00:50:45,880
option to Rio as they say yeah well he

1026
00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:50,140
wasn't getting anywhere and the shadows

1027
00:50:56,370 --> 00:50:52,329
were creeping up over it he was

1028
00:50:59,339 --> 00:50:56,380
convinced that the Air Force wasn't

1029
00:51:01,319 --> 00:50:59,349
interested in what he was doing so

1030
00:51:03,479 --> 00:51:01,329
basically it's a matter of I'm working

1031
00:51:06,269 --> 00:51:03,489
my butt off trying to figure out what's

1032
00:51:08,579 --> 00:51:06,279
going on but the people who pay my

1033
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:08,589
salary such as it is and nobody in the

1034
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:11,049
military makes a big salary they don't

1035
00:51:17,130 --> 00:51:14,650
care so why am I doing this so he gave

1036
00:51:19,259 --> 00:51:17,140
up and he basically after he is

1037
00:51:21,329 --> 00:51:19,269
enlistment expired he went back into

1038
00:51:24,409 --> 00:51:21,339
civilian life well getting deported back

1039
00:51:27,089 --> 00:51:24,419
and what happened to captain repeal and

1040
00:51:28,979 --> 00:51:27,099
much more with Cohen Bennett the book is

1041
00:51:30,569 --> 00:51:28,989
flying saucers over the White House and

1042
00:51:33,059 --> 00:51:30,579
if you have a comment or a question

1043
00:51:34,739 --> 00:51:33,069
about the power cast write us and use at

1044
00:51:38,459 --> 00:51:34,749
the power cast calm once again that's

1045
00:51:40,979 --> 00:51:38,469
news at the Peres cast calm we will read

1046
00:51:41,489 --> 00:51:40,989
each and every message we get that's a

1047
00:51:43,799 --> 00:51:41,499
promise

1048
00:51:53,230 --> 00:51:43,809
I'm Jean Steinberg the co-host is Chris

1049
00:51:57,710 --> 00:51:55,180
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1050
00:51:59,810 --> 00:51:57,720
hi this is Ted Anderson if you'd like to

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1062
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1063
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:22,770
live.com again that's juicy and live.com

1064
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:24,420
hi this is Ted Anderson have you ever

1065
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:25,770
wondered why banks stockbrokers

1066
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:27,180
investment advisors won't talk about

1067
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:28,890
gold IRAs they've been available since

1068
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:31,170
1986 yet the financial industry won't

1069
00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:32,760
recognize the value of gold for your

1070
00:52:36,620 --> 00:52:34,500
retirement gold has outperformed paper

1071
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:36,630
investments yet no word about IRAs if

1072
00:53:07,760 --> 00:52:38,010
you would like to have gold for your

1073
00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:10,940
we're back with : Bennett the book is

1074
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:12,390
flying saucers over the White House

1075
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:15,420
reissued it's about the life and times

1076
00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:18,090
of Captain Edward group helped spend 18

1077
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:20,940
months as the head of Project Blue Book

1078
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:23,460
he coined the term UFO unidentified

1079
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:26,520
flying object on the power cast with

1080
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,970
Gene and Chris we continue ok so captain

1081
00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:32,160
rappel goes back to civilian life at

1082
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:34,680
what point did he decide to write a book

1083
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:39,570
well I suppose he decided it was one of

1084
00:53:45,740 --> 00:53:42,650
the fascinating stories at the century

1085
00:53:50,350 --> 00:53:45,750
and nobody knew about it you know

1086
00:53:58,340 --> 00:53:55,010
mean technically Project Blue Book was a

1087
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:58,350
top-secret project and therefore nobody

1088
00:54:03,290 --> 00:54:00,900
knew an inch available and in therefore

1089
00:54:05,780 --> 00:54:03,300
he decided to write this book properly

1090
00:54:09,550 --> 00:54:05,790
you know like all new movies to make it

1091
00:54:12,859 --> 00:54:09,560
penny or two and a dollar or two and

1092
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:12,869
enjoying married life you know can he in

1093
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,140
spend a couple years writing his book

1094
00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:19,200
his own book which is entitled the

1095
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:21,480
report on early identified flying

1096
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:24,390
objects a rather bold title which tell

1097
00:54:31,900 --> 00:54:29,520
you earlier and I think tragically at

1098
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:31,910
this time after he completed his book

1099
00:54:39,260 --> 00:54:35,460
there were traces of heart disease and

1100
00:54:41,060 --> 00:54:39,270
he died in 1960 now how do we know where

1101
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:41,070
there were traces of heart disease to go

1102
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:45,690
to a doctor do you have some medical

1103
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:49,440
record that is a year civilian identity

1104
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:52,050
I thought that he was able to do work

1105
00:54:58,070 --> 00:54:55,050
he's working with other ill and worked

1106
00:55:02,630 --> 00:54:58,080
on this book which was offering to

1107
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:02,640
mankind and before he fell serious fear

1108
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:06,330
and that is Ansari and the rooftop story

1109
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,690
no question I have to ask you now we

1110
00:55:14,420 --> 00:55:11,760
understand how the book ended because I

1111
00:55:17,090 --> 00:55:14,430
have a copy in front of me and my dirty

1112
00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:17,100
hands here I'll read the close of the

1113
00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:18,750
book which is very famous because it

1114
00:55:21,019 --> 00:55:20,460
says a lot it says a lot about what

1115
00:55:24,829 --> 00:55:21,029
happened after

1116
00:55:25,279 --> 00:55:24,839
that his conclusion may be earth let me

1117
00:55:27,259 --> 00:55:25,289
say this

1118
00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:27,269
maybe the earth is being visited by

1119
00:55:33,370 --> 00:55:29,849
interplanetary space ships closing

1120
00:55:36,439 --> 00:55:33,380
paragraph only time will tell but then

1121
00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:36,449
just four years later there's a new

1122
00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:38,579
version of book issued three chapters

1123
00:55:46,219 --> 00:55:42,630
are tacked on suddenly repelled is the

1124
00:55:52,729 --> 00:55:46,229
arch skeptic what happened I think I

1125
00:55:54,769 --> 00:55:52,739
think that excuse me that well III can't

1126
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:54,779
I couldn't there's no excuse for it I

1127
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:57,839
think that he was depressed myself I can

1128
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:00,599
only offer an opinion here and that it

1129
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:04,890
became depressed illness but it does

1130
00:56:08,209 --> 00:56:06,809
depression change your viewpoint he's

1131
00:56:10,279 --> 00:56:08,219
implying here he might be ready to

1132
00:56:12,979 --> 00:56:10,289
believe that something's going on

1133
00:56:15,620 --> 00:56:12,989
and then in answer to that question in

1134
00:56:17,179 --> 00:56:15,630
the final chapter of the revised version

1135
00:56:21,319 --> 00:56:17,189
he says

1136
00:56:24,469 --> 00:56:21,329
I'm positive they don't was that his own

1137
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:24,479
speaking there's a lot of conspiracy

1138
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:30,209
theories about this and I'm not an

1139
00:56:34,419 --> 00:56:31,890
expert on the under gun we own the

1140
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:34,429
country excuse me conspiratorial

1141
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:39,689
accusations here I've seen them and some

1142
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,609
have suggested that this was an override

1143
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:44,400
without mother's permission you know and

1144
00:56:49,429 --> 00:56:46,799
I couldn't comment on that well you know

1145
00:56:52,279 --> 00:56:49,439
what if you read major Kehoe's books at

1146
00:56:54,859 --> 00:56:52,289
the time he claimed to be a friend of

1147
00:56:58,159 --> 00:56:54,869
Captain repeal and major Donald Kehoe

1148
00:57:00,499 --> 00:56:58,169
made it very clear that repeal told him

1149
00:57:04,509 --> 00:57:00,509
he was under a great deal of pressure

1150
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:04,519
from his former military supervisors to

1151
00:57:09,649 --> 00:57:07,529
backtrack on the book to kind of reverse

1152
00:57:11,929 --> 00:57:09,659
what he said he did a little pressure

1153
00:57:15,339 --> 00:57:11,939
but if you look at what your own Clark

1154
00:57:17,929 --> 00:57:15,349
says and of course Jerry Clark has the

1155
00:57:19,969 --> 00:57:17,939
forward in your book he didn't really

1156
00:57:20,689 --> 00:57:19,979
believe that but then Kehoe did say it

1157
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:20,699
he wrote it

1158
00:57:27,319 --> 00:57:24,689
do we take Keogh at his word well Donald

1159
00:57:32,779 --> 00:57:27,329
Kehoe is a brilliant figure in ufology

1160
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:32,789
yeah historically and yes he was a very

1161
00:57:37,230 --> 00:57:34,720
irascible character

1162
00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:37,240
lively decision what likely to say lots

1163
00:57:43,230 --> 00:57:40,329
of things no okay

1164
00:57:46,650 --> 00:57:43,240
now there's an implication here which is

1165
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:46,660
that Kehoe was a storyteller he's

1166
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:48,400
telling stories maybe those stories are

1167
00:57:54,030 --> 00:57:51,280
not exactly true is that your take I did

1168
00:57:58,050 --> 00:57:54,040
know Kehoe very very casually I never

1169
00:58:01,470 --> 00:57:58,060
got an impression yeah well first of all

1170
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:01,480
he knows books of classics and I believe

1171
00:58:06,839 --> 00:58:03,849
almost every word of them but when

1172
00:58:11,220 --> 00:58:06,849
officer after page in conversations he

1173
00:58:13,230 --> 00:58:11,230
tended to be the coffee area journalist

1174
00:58:15,450 --> 00:58:13,240
he's not careful you know he's caged

1175
00:58:16,980 --> 00:58:15,460
like the top of the head journalist and

1176
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:16,990
while his books spam this was

1177
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:20,770
unconcerned some of his some of his

1178
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:23,280
statements are over-the-top

1179
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:27,730
he's seen things in what sense you say

1180
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:38,170
over-the-top claims which nothing he

1181
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:39,849
does this all the time he doesn't do it

1182
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,569
all the time

1183
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:42,400
he's written classic books on your phone

1184
00:58:48,540 --> 00:58:44,770
which would stand forever I love John

1185
00:58:50,430 --> 00:58:48,550
repairs book wonderful works but as a

1186
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:50,440
journalist he tends to go on the talk

1187
00:58:55,650 --> 00:58:53,050
and also one of these techniques in

1188
00:58:58,319 --> 00:58:55,660
journalism is to present the leading

1189
00:59:03,870 --> 00:58:58,329
question everybody presents the leading

1190
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,880
question understanding what you're

1191
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,680
saying here presents the leading

1192
00:59:10,109 --> 00:59:07,599
question what do you mean the leading

1193
00:59:16,170 --> 00:59:10,119
question in ufology is always the same

1194
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:16,180
yeah vehicles if their vehicles are they

1195
00:59:23,579 --> 00:59:21,670
meant if they're men via yes at this

1196
00:59:25,380 --> 00:59:23,589
first book flying saucers from outer

1197
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:25,390
space he never changed that point of

1198
00:59:30,540 --> 00:59:27,359
view no

1199
00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:30,550
he wants to know and the trouble is of

1200
00:59:35,940 --> 00:59:33,430
course nobody nobody has got the answer

1201
00:59:38,849 --> 00:59:35,950
to the leading question but they still

1202
00:59:41,940 --> 00:59:38,859
like them but then I'm going back to his

1203
00:59:44,579 --> 00:59:41,950
interactions with Captain rupo

1204
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:44,589
okay so do we take kyo at his word that

1205
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:47,930
repelled told him he was being pressed

1206
00:59:54,849 --> 00:59:51,170
to write those three chapters and change

1207
01:00:00,339 --> 00:59:54,859
the spin as they said I would tend to

1208
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:00,349
accept his explanation in this case in

1209
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:03,049
this context yeah I did I mean that's

1210
01:00:07,809 --> 01:00:05,450
that's a pretty that's a pretty heavy

1211
01:00:12,370 --> 01:00:07,819
statement to make I know I'd not like

1212
01:00:14,829 --> 01:00:12,380
not by neither by Ruth Harris and if he

1213
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:14,839
committed that because and Rafael didn't

1214
01:00:21,279 --> 01:00:17,359
agree it's a straight case for libel

1215
01:00:24,010 --> 01:00:21,289
you know misrepresentation yeah but then

1216
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:24,020
it could be also a situation here where

1217
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:28,010
it's he said he said you know it's not

1218
01:00:37,930 --> 01:00:34,130
yeah well I think he was a college man I

1219
01:00:41,230 --> 01:00:37,940
think he was over-enthusiastic at times

1220
01:00:46,510 --> 01:00:41,240
and I'm generally speaking I would tend

1221
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,520
to believe him yes I think about maybe

1222
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:49,119
have been in a state of depression

1223
01:00:57,309 --> 01:00:54,049
because of his illness and actually said

1224
01:00:59,980 --> 01:00:57,319
what he said you know talk to him okay

1225
01:01:02,049 --> 01:00:59,990
let me just explore this more do we

1226
01:01:05,230 --> 01:01:02,059
assume then that route belts with I was

1227
01:01:13,029 --> 01:01:09,609
rue Pelt was married right his widow is

1228
01:01:14,849 --> 01:01:13,039
she no longer with us I don't know that

1229
01:01:16,779 --> 01:01:14,859
was a long time ago with him I

1230
01:01:19,029 --> 01:01:16,789
understand me I would probably someone

1231
01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:19,039
be in her 80s I guess now he had no

1232
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:19,990
children

1233
01:01:26,289 --> 01:01:23,119
IIIi I'm not I'm not a good technician

1234
01:01:28,990 --> 01:01:26,299
on any background I can't answer that

1235
01:01:30,730 --> 01:01:29,000
question so there's no young Rupe held

1236
01:01:34,299 --> 01:01:30,740
out there who understands what went on

1237
01:01:35,980 --> 01:01:34,309
and can correct the record III didn't I

1238
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:35,990
had so much on my hands right in his

1239
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:38,329
book I'm afraid I didn't go into that

1240
01:01:42,910 --> 01:01:41,359
tiny detail probably I apologize

1241
01:01:45,069 --> 01:01:42,920
it would have been unfortunate you know

1242
01:01:47,170 --> 01:01:45,079
to you know if it was there and it

1243
01:01:49,539 --> 01:01:47,180
readily available the other question I

1244
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:49,549
have here is and this is a very small

1245
01:01:56,049 --> 01:01:52,910
issue and that is according to your book

1246
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:56,059
he died at the age of 35 but according

1247
01:02:01,690 --> 01:01:57,920
to the Wikipedia entry he was born in

1248
01:02:04,350 --> 01:02:01,700
1923 and died in 1960 thus be

1249
01:02:07,660 --> 01:02:04,360
37 years of age do you stand corrected

1250
01:02:10,090 --> 01:02:07,670
yeah I should corrected yeah okay I do I

1251
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:10,100
noticed I noticed that and it I stand

1252
01:02:14,830 --> 01:02:12,110
corrected yeah if there's another

1253
01:02:16,590 --> 01:02:14,840
addition there are several small things

1254
01:02:18,850 --> 01:02:16,600
like that they which I'd like to correct

1255
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:18,860
right now of course I'm looking over

1256
01:02:23,050 --> 01:02:21,110
that issue there it's unfortunate in

1257
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:23,060
those years someone who had heart

1258
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disease it was a fatal illness except in

1259
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rare cases today with modern medical

1260
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science he would have probably survived

1261
01:02:36,610 --> 01:02:33,290
maybe let me get into more of this in a

1262
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:36,620
moment we have : Bennett the book is

1263
01:02:39,730 --> 01:02:37,850
flying saucers over the White House

1264
01:02:42,850 --> 01:02:39,740
which was of course one of the seminal

1265
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:42,860
events in early UFO history in 1952

1266
01:02:47,230 --> 01:02:44,690
Andrew Pelt was had a Project Blue Book

1267
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the co host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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return what a guest is Colin Bennett the

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book is flying saucers over the White

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House reissued because Chris O'Brien I'm

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Jean Steinberg : we're exploring you

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know more or less what's going on but if

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we forget the conditions under which

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Rupe help might have operated when he

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wrote those three chapters which are not

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part of this reissuance that was sent to

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us with a copy of your book

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other than that did he at all think that

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UFOs might be real what were his

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personal views not what's in the book as

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the book was very even-keeled what did

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he really think oh I think he I think he

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believed that be here were objectively

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all objective of the observations of

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peculiar phenomena and since they the

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problems always been the same what on

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earth in the night sky particularly they

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can see perform such intelligent

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maneuvers this this gives us a humanity

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and it's frameworks of reference Bonzo

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Dog promise who's up there who's doing

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it what is it it's still the same in

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2011 the I invited I don't nobody want

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to discuss this just yet but one of the

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chapters is the what happened in I'm

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01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:04,420
sorry I'm sailing again Washington

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01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:07,810
National Airport sightings where real

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could happened to be in Washington at

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the time on the ass of Operation Blue

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Book checking on weather records now

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would you like to work discuss this

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01:09:24,570 --> 01:09:22,480
chapter gene I think it'd be nice to

1409
01:09:25,709 --> 01:09:24,580
just be brief about it we assume a lot

1410
01:09:27,780 --> 01:09:25,719
of people who are listening to the show

1411
01:09:30,959 --> 01:09:27,790
are familiar with the events in

1412
01:09:33,630 --> 01:09:30,969
Washington DC in 1952 but a lot of

1413
01:09:36,150 --> 01:09:33,640
people who maybe haven't explored UFO

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01:09:38,729 --> 01:09:36,160
lore as they say it's worth a short

1415
01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:38,739
explanation well I think that the the

1416
01:09:42,599 --> 01:09:40,450
event that happened the week before on

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01:09:44,910 --> 01:09:42,609
July 1st and mom over Monmouth New

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01:09:46,650 --> 01:09:44,920
Jersey should also be mention because

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that that's truly the beginning of that

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wave and some of the some of the facts

1421
01:09:53,130 --> 01:09:51,069
that came out of that how that

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01:09:55,470 --> 01:09:53,140
particular case was handled by the Air

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Force I think is very revealing we

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01:09:59,310 --> 01:09:57,100
should probably start there Jean I think

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01:10:03,440 --> 01:09:59,320
and then we'll go into the regarding the

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01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:03,450
actual Washington cases okay so anyway

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go ahead please okay we're happened to

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be in Washington on the art of Project

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01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:14,110
Blue Book researching weather and flight

1430
01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:18,670
patterns and I think yeah yeah it was it

1431
01:10:26,940 --> 01:10:22,260
was July the 19th the 9th of July 19th

1432
01:10:31,620 --> 01:10:26,950
now a word of detail Washington National

1433
01:10:35,370 --> 01:10:31,630
Airport at that time in 52 had two

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01:10:38,430 --> 01:10:35,380
radios was a main powerful radar and one

1435
01:10:42,209 --> 01:10:38,440
small area it detected that the the

1436
01:10:45,630 --> 01:10:42,219
long-range radar detected our own custom

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01:10:46,170 --> 01:10:45,640
old lights approaching it in the night

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01:10:49,170 --> 01:10:46,180
sky

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now remember Venice now this is

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restricted airspace over the Catterick

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at the capital of America

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and nothing supposed to be there except

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from the permissible flights these

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lights performed amazing maneuvers and

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increased and decreased speed space

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01:11:15,630 --> 01:11:12,130
which were far too low for for

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contemporary jets and speeds which were

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far too high thousands of miles an hour

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01:11:26,250 --> 01:11:22,230
will record it unbelievably given radar

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nation the controller of the radar in

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stone with herring bones and the herring

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bonds

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we call the main screens 12:30 this

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incredible finale which is approaching

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the airport and he then took the

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decision to contact what we call in

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brakeman Fighter Command which is hustle

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01:11:58,260 --> 01:11:54,940
up an interceptor from Andrews Air Force

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Base which is also in the Washington

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area and then someone told her mission

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isn't a wonderful snafu that the runways

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I add an address and Andrews Air Force

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Base were being we think it's hot

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his heart must have sank at that news

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you know that going knowing there was no

1466
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fighter protection over Washington now

1467
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listen I sell in the book things like

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terrible memories in Narnia them of

1469
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confusion of contradiction of

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01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:37,510
incompetence so Harry bronze decides to

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01:12:43,950 --> 01:12:40,320
contact I think it was Newark firebase

1472
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:43,960
and they they say okay we'll send you an

1473
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F 94 in just not all weather night

1474
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intercept the f94 takes hours to arrive

1475
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believe it or not and meantime the

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lights perform a regular carnival over

1477
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Washington was nothing to observe them

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nothing to stop they could have

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destroyed I hear simile a terrible

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negative they could have destroyed the

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Capitol there was no protection in the

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air and then we heard this before we

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heard Pearl Harbor

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you know it it's something in the

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military mind which sometimes makes its

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stop like a rabbit before headlights and

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this was one of them

1488
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anyway the F thank you for all right

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they can't see anything

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he's like a bright lights roll around it

1491
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has to return to Newark

1492
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almost immediately because of fuel did

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you ever hear such a Snapple is this

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they returned to Newark and again

1495
01:13:44,430 --> 01:13:41,350
there's an instruction over the

1496
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Washington County and

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well for the next day it starts to hit

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by headlights I'll chop the Pentagon

1499
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press officer is called to account

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01:14:00,660 --> 01:13:57,820
everybody saw these people in the

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streets saw the damn things when angry

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and speaking and started in certain

1503
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cases going to believe this

1504
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and yet the Air Force couldn't send a

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single fighter when they did well they

1506
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sent a single fighter when the fighting

1507
01:14:16,890 --> 01:14:14,469
right is love you he couldn't have

1508
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:16,900
served properly so he was back Andrews

1509
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:19,440
Air Force Base huge military fire base

1510
01:14:29,790 --> 01:14:24,370
they host usually to the f94 or whether

1511
01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:29,800
interceptors was out of commission that

1512
01:14:34,379 --> 01:14:32,230
day they come on metal that didn't leave

1513
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:34,389
at least a couple arrests when he falls

1514
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:37,510
on a strictly for the offense you know

1515
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:41,760
are pretending it's not the whole

1516
01:14:50,220 --> 01:14:45,010
Washington civilian operated it sounds

1517
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:50,230
like a mess reception I want to bring

1518
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:53,170
out here is that after a roof house

1519
01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:55,570
departure I know that a colleague of

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mine

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01:15:00,600 --> 01:14:58,480
occasional guest Jim Mosley who

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publishes saucer smear I work for Jim

1523
01:15:07,770 --> 01:15:05,110
years ago my first real paying job okay

1524
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my first real paying job in this world

1525
01:15:12,629 --> 01:15:11,230
was as a managing editor of saucer news

1526
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:12,639
many years ago before I went into

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broadcasting okay so GM used to meet up

1528
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every so often with the latest head or

1529
01:15:24,990 --> 01:15:22,659
supervisor of Project Blue Book was

1530
01:15:27,450 --> 01:15:25,000
still it was it existence the impression

1531
01:15:31,260 --> 01:15:27,460
you get though is these were nice young

1532
01:15:33,530 --> 01:15:31,270
eager beaver military bureaucrats but

1533
01:15:35,250 --> 01:15:33,540
yeah it was all public relations

1534
01:15:37,649 --> 01:15:35,260
operation they really weren't that

1535
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:37,659
concerned about investigating UFOs they

1536
01:15:41,879 --> 01:15:40,090
didn't take it seriously maybe repeal

1537
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:41,889
was the lone exception we'll have to get

1538
01:15:46,290 --> 01:15:43,750
into more of this in a moment : bennett

1539
01:15:51,620 --> 01:15:46,300
joins us I'm gene Steinberg the co-host

1540
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[Music]

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Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

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listening to the parrot cat we're back

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01:20:22,290 --> 01:20:20,229
with Colin Bennett the book is flying

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saucers over the White House I'm gene

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Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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01:20:30,779 --> 01:20:28,869
on the parrot cast Chris after : answers

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01:20:32,729 --> 01:20:30,789
that question about whether blue book

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01:20:34,399 --> 01:20:32,739
was just a public relations move maybe

1651
01:20:40,399 --> 01:20:34,409
get into some of our listener questions

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01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:42,479
operations well that was the impression

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01:20:48,119 --> 01:20:44,320
that I think he got in talking to these

1654
01:20:50,279 --> 01:20:48,129
people well that's his opinion I should

1655
01:20:54,029 --> 01:20:50,289
I should say I should say at this point

1656
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:54,039
that I've seen a flying saucer myself

1657
01:21:00,449 --> 01:20:56,530
and I've written about it so I mean

1658
01:21:04,199 --> 01:21:00,459
that's the core of my belief and I I've

1659
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:04,209
written about this with Nick wedding

1660
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:06,639
Nick red fence new book he's putting out

1661
01:21:11,729 --> 01:21:10,090
a new book and I contributed this it's

1662
01:21:15,119 --> 01:21:11,739
about many in black and things like that

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01:21:18,299 --> 01:21:15,129
the general source on mobile hello are e

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in general a lot considerate and I bet

1665
01:21:25,229 --> 01:21:21,969
conclusion a considerable length about

1666
01:21:27,569 --> 01:21:25,239
my particular sighting which is a lack

1667
01:21:29,879 --> 01:21:27,579
of my belief that these things are real

1668
01:21:32,819 --> 01:21:29,889
and people are seeing real things

1669
01:21:35,159 --> 01:21:32,829
Tim Mosley is a wonderful brilliant then

1670
01:21:40,169 --> 01:21:35,169
he always has been but he trips over

1671
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:40,179
himself and it hasn't seen okay new

1672
01:21:44,339 --> 01:21:42,010
policies followed these people you know

1673
01:21:46,830 --> 01:21:44,349
can you take two brilliant people like

1674
01:21:48,779 --> 01:21:46,840
Stanton Friedman and we spoke of it

1675
01:21:54,179 --> 01:21:48,789
they're brilliant people great guys that

1676
01:21:55,979 --> 01:21:54,189
they've not seen one and I have and

1677
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:55,989
that's a car there's no shaking

1678
01:22:00,569 --> 01:21:58,239
rightfully I've only seen one major I

1679
01:22:02,310 --> 01:22:00,579
don't you just nothing play God and he

1680
01:22:04,889 --> 01:22:02,320
was on a particular occasion and I

1681
01:22:07,799 --> 01:22:04,899
written about this in the Nick reference

1682
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:07,809
new book and so nobody shakes the core

1683
01:22:15,419 --> 01:22:11,050
my belief suppose believe me because

1684
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:15,429
when you see one and for a considerable

1685
01:22:20,459 --> 01:22:19,449
time your belief structure is shaken no

1686
01:22:23,219 --> 01:22:20,469
matter how

1687
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:23,229
carry on everyone and those really want

1688
01:22:29,219 --> 01:22:25,690
what you say and you see all of these

1689
01:22:32,370 --> 01:22:29,229
things he exchanges you and I think that

1690
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:32,380
knows what the trouble is mostly is in a

1691
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:36,719
modest wonderful what shall I say yeah

1692
01:22:42,029 --> 01:22:40,239
idiosyncratic writer I really great and

1693
01:22:46,529 --> 01:22:42,039
it's great entertainment but he's not

1694
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,539
seen one and you know the people who

1695
01:22:52,850 --> 01:22:48,960
won't have have their lives changed

1696
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:52,860
pilot by the sick none of them only that

1697
01:22:58,500 --> 01:22:56,050
Chris go ahead please well again I think

1698
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:58,510
you know the the one thing that I was

1699
01:23:04,589 --> 01:23:01,679
trying to have you the dress was the

1700
01:23:08,700 --> 01:23:04,599
before these Washington DC sightings in

1701
01:23:10,469 --> 01:23:08,710
in July 52 there was an upsurge of

1702
01:23:14,189 --> 01:23:10,479
activity all along the eastern seaboard

1703
01:23:15,989 --> 01:23:14,199
and I find it your description of how

1704
01:23:19,290 --> 01:23:15,999
these events were handled by the air

1705
01:23:21,149 --> 01:23:19,300
force and the pin in it actually led to

1706
01:23:23,399 --> 01:23:21,159
a scientist predicting that there was

1707
01:23:25,979 --> 01:23:23,409
going to be activity over overwatch oh I

1708
01:23:28,890 --> 01:23:25,989
see yeah I just I find it very

1709
01:23:33,089 --> 01:23:28,900
fascinating that that the Air Force

1710
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:33,099
handled the situation so ineptly with

1711
01:23:37,649 --> 01:23:34,719
the two waves of two weekends of

1712
01:23:40,859 --> 01:23:37,659
activity over DC now we do have a number

1713
01:23:45,029 --> 01:23:40,869
of questions here we we allow our forum

1714
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:45,039
posters to to go ahead and feel kind of

1715
01:23:49,500 --> 01:23:46,690
service up some questions for you and

1716
01:23:51,330 --> 01:23:49,510
one of the questions comes from a new

1717
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:51,340
member of the forums his name calls

1718
01:23:55,620 --> 01:23:53,920
himself century and he states a part of

1719
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:55,630
the reason for secrecy and sham

1720
01:24:01,020 --> 01:23:57,760
investigations by Blue Book was to

1721
01:24:03,089 --> 01:24:01,030
conceal military projects what cases of

1722
01:24:04,770 --> 01:24:03,099
UFO sightings have been explained as

1723
01:24:11,790 --> 01:24:04,780
secret Air Force projects is the

1724
01:24:14,930 --> 01:24:11,800
question well I personally I have to

1725
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:14,940
disagree on this because I think that

1726
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:18,249
new house police is genuine documents of

1727
01:24:25,379 --> 01:24:22,570
his conviction and experience and the

1728
01:24:27,660 --> 01:24:25,389
the UFOs are now coming through and we

1729
01:24:30,660 --> 01:24:27,670
don't know what it is and and but

1730
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:30,670
there's evidence flowing in through many

1731
01:24:33,540 --> 01:24:33,280
many many I mean you got to have a look

1732
01:24:37,649 --> 01:24:33,550
at

1733
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,659
to say George filers pilot styles which

1734
01:24:42,450 --> 01:24:39,760
is about every two weeks and if she

1735
01:24:44,220 --> 01:24:42,460
comes coming in from current continental

1736
01:24:47,010 --> 01:24:44,230
sources they're the most amazing

1737
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:47,020
photographs we're living in a universe

1738
01:24:54,930 --> 01:24:51,520
we don't quite understand and it's a

1739
01:24:57,780 --> 01:24:54,940
bruise to our ego to think that we can't

1740
01:25:02,419 --> 01:24:57,790
analyze this dent on a woman we don't

1741
01:25:04,830 --> 01:25:02,429
like it we like things to be handleable

1742
01:25:07,140 --> 01:25:04,840
psychologically when the UFO is not

1743
01:25:07,919 --> 01:25:07,150
Hannibal psychologically and probably

1744
01:25:10,770 --> 01:25:07,929
never will be

1745
01:25:14,819 --> 01:25:10,780
I have by the way to support my view on

1746
01:25:18,060 --> 01:25:14,829
this I have the author of the biography

1747
01:25:18,660 --> 01:25:18,070
of Charles Fort I own child sports by

1748
01:25:21,660 --> 01:25:18,670
River

1749
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:21,670
my book is called politics of the

1750
01:25:27,780 --> 01:25:24,730
imagination and it won a prize some

1751
01:25:31,589 --> 01:25:27,790
years ago I used to write for the

1752
01:25:34,350 --> 01:25:31,599
British 14 times and they never forgave

1753
01:25:37,950 --> 01:25:34,360
me to the book someone said that then it

1754
01:25:40,859 --> 01:25:37,960
brought forth out of the hobbit covered

1755
01:25:45,689 --> 01:25:40,869
and they'd fought Charles fought and

1756
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:45,699
died in 33 New Yorker and into the open

1757
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:48,130
and now the link between what I'm saying

1758
01:25:55,799 --> 01:25:51,280
about Charles for and what in the UFO is

1759
01:25:59,129 --> 01:25:55,809
the anomaly fort was the great analyzer

1760
01:26:01,799 --> 01:25:59,139
of what happens when anomalies or

1761
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:01,809
contradictions come into human culture

1762
01:26:07,950 --> 01:26:05,440
and usually what happens when an anomaly

1763
01:26:10,649 --> 01:26:07,960
that is a contradiction in the framework

1764
01:26:14,970 --> 01:26:10,659
in the general cultural framework of

1765
01:26:18,089 --> 01:26:14,980
reference occurs we tend to accept any

1766
01:26:21,660 --> 01:26:18,099
old explanation in facial something we

1767
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:21,670
can't explain that makes sense yeah and

1768
01:26:27,419 --> 01:26:23,290
for was the great philosopher of this

1769
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:27,429
this particular idea and my book is

1770
01:26:32,010 --> 01:26:29,250
called politics of the imagination

1771
01:26:35,100 --> 01:26:32,020
prize-winning book yeah always

1772
01:26:38,069 --> 01:26:35,110
oral good readers please note I when the

1773
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:38,079
anomalous price and years ago and here

1774
01:26:45,470 --> 01:26:41,650
we have in the UFO generally speaking

1775
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:45,480
and anomaly it doesn't fit our

1776
01:26:52,919 --> 01:26:47,170
experience

1777
01:26:55,470 --> 01:26:52,929
happen to have constructed and we have

1778
01:26:58,020 --> 01:26:55,480
to do this because we live in a much

1779
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,030
more fantastic universe that we could

1780
01:27:04,590 --> 01:27:00,880
ever realize and to keep our sanity at

1781
01:27:07,890 --> 01:27:04,600
night we have to have explanations even

1782
01:27:10,650 --> 01:27:07,900
if they're only false x1

1783
01:27:13,470 --> 01:27:10,660
even if we know that these expects

1784
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:13,480
formations of falsehoods we go to sleep

1785
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:15,600
with them because of psychological

1786
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:18,250
cessation of the culture and the

1787
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:20,290
individual and this is what's happening

1788
01:27:24,830 --> 01:27:22,330
to your host we don't know what they are

1789
01:27:29,310 --> 01:27:24,840
they're quite frightening and disturbing

1790
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:29,320
in the end of course they may be and I'm

1791
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:31,530
not saying they are but they may be

1792
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:35,530
claimed by aliens they may be I'm not

1793
01:27:39,150 --> 01:27:37,360
saying they are but these are

1794
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:39,160
suggestions by many many many many

1795
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:41,290
people you know are usually live in the

1796
01:27:45,630 --> 01:27:42,880
middle of the Amazon and you haven't

1797
01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:45,640
contacted any kind of civilization all

1798
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:47,260
of a sudden a helicopter comes over you

1799
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:49,360
were like what framework of explanation

1800
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:51,280
are you gonna put in there you haven't

1801
01:27:56,669 --> 01:27:55,210
gone and that's too many that is really

1802
01:27:59,939 --> 01:27:56,679
what's happening here

1803
01:28:03,540 --> 01:27:59,949
we're frightened by the UFO we disturbed

1804
01:28:06,300 --> 01:28:03,550
by the UFO we can't explain the UFO and

1805
01:28:08,630 --> 01:28:06,310
therefore we can deduce visit well do

1806
01:28:12,270 --> 01:28:08,640
you think the Air Force is using that

1807
01:28:15,060 --> 01:28:12,280
that sort of natural inclination by by

1808
01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:15,070
unwitting observers of unusual aerial

1809
01:28:18,270 --> 01:28:16,540
phenomenon don't you think the Air Force

1810
01:28:21,450 --> 01:28:18,280
is taking that into account

1811
01:28:23,700 --> 01:28:21,460
I mean think back in the late 50s early

1812
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:23,710
60s if you are a commercial pilot and

1813
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:26,800
you were flying along at 30,000 feet and

1814
01:28:31,620 --> 01:28:28,480
all of a sudden you look up and you see

1815
01:28:35,010 --> 01:28:31,630
you know an sr-71 Blackbird way up there

1816
01:28:36,959 --> 01:28:35,020
shooting by at four times your speed I

1817
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:36,969
mean you would think that possibly that

1818
01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:39,130
was a UFO because you you weren't in the

1819
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:41,710
loop the classified loop of of knowing

1820
01:28:49,890 --> 01:28:45,850
about that particular plane and imagine

1821
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:49,900
imagine driving along and in 1980 out in

1822
01:29:00,360 --> 01:28:52,570
the in the in the desert in Nevada and

1823
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:03,350
Airport one seven night old is capable

1824
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:06,610
$7,000 around yeah I think good but just

1825
01:29:13,050 --> 01:29:10,330
the very shape of it is enough to uh you

1826
01:29:14,970 --> 01:29:13,060
know create create some consternation in

1827
01:29:17,340 --> 01:29:14,980
an unwitting observer who has no

1828
01:29:19,950 --> 01:29:17,350
knowledge of that particular level of

1829
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:19,960
technology that we have attained so I

1830
01:29:26,220 --> 01:29:22,510
think our questioner is trying to trying

1831
01:29:27,810 --> 01:29:26,230
to glean from you some sort of number a

1832
01:29:29,790 --> 01:29:27,820
percentage of sightings that could

1833
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:29,800
actually be classified military projects

1834
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:32,050
we could have we could have an

1835
01:29:35,460 --> 01:29:33,610
incredible technology that we don't know

1836
01:29:37,770 --> 01:29:35,470
about today that could be misconstrued

1837
01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:37,780
as UFO and I'll tell you what we'll get

1838
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:39,490
into more of that possibility in our

1839
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:41,410
next segment we have Colin Bennett the

1840
01:29:52,630 --> 01:29:43,360
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

1841
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:54,959
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1929
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wondered why banks stockbrokers

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investment advisors won't talk about

1931
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gold IRAs they've been available since

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1986 yet the financial industry won't

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recognize the value of gold for your

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retirement gold has outperformed paper

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investments yet no word about IRAs if

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you would like to have gold for your

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retirement call 866 to 237 don't get

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left behind by rising inflation and low

1939
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great talk radio starts here this is Jim

1940
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:05,830
Marrs league editor or a sausage smear

1941
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:08,560
and I'm here to say has been word or two

1942
01:34:14,270 --> 01:34:11,530
about the power cast which I believe is

1943
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the gold standard of paranormal radio

1944
01:34:22,770 --> 01:34:20,470
listen to it if you can Colin Bennett

1945
01:34:25,020 --> 01:34:22,780
author of flying saucers over the White

1946
01:34:26,940 --> 01:34:25,030
House joins us Chris O'Brien's the

1947
01:34:29,310 --> 01:34:26,950
co-host I'm gene Steinberg I'm the power

1948
01:34:32,790 --> 01:34:29,320
cast of course who were covering

1949
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:32,800
questions from our listeners and the

1950
01:34:43,110 --> 01:34:36,730
issue posed by Chris about secret

1951
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:43,120
weapons and such : yes I know I would

1952
01:34:49,610 --> 01:34:46,210
certainly say that mistaken observations

1953
01:34:54,060 --> 01:34:49,620
that mistaken observations consists of

1954
01:34:56,970 --> 01:34:54,070
you know a great segment of our life but

1955
01:35:00,170 --> 01:34:56,980
these this phenomenon is so

1956
01:35:04,440 --> 01:35:00,180
extraordinary that you can't fit it into

1957
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:04,450
the the existing technological framework

1958
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:07,570
that's my thesis you can argue against

1959
01:35:12,750 --> 01:35:12,010
that but nothing coming out per se area

1960
01:35:14,990 --> 01:35:12,760
51

1961
01:35:18,750 --> 01:35:15,000
even though it's absolutely wonderful

1962
01:35:21,630 --> 01:35:18,760
it's the performance levels no there's

1963
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:21,640
another element here that will be

1964
01:35:26,820 --> 01:35:24,010
psychologically engineered there is a

1965
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:26,830
sector we have mentioned on this

1966
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:29,440
broadcast at the moment I don't want to

1967
01:35:35,490 --> 01:35:31,930
go into it in detail because it's fast

1968
01:35:40,620 --> 01:35:35,500
but there's a whole sector associated

1969
01:35:44,190 --> 01:35:40,630
with the UFO which is having a cultural

1970
01:35:47,070 --> 01:35:44,200
effects no perhaps this is the intended

1971
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:47,080
thing to make us imagine to

1972
01:35:51,690 --> 01:35:49,330
psychologically modernist I knew you

1973
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:51,700
know these are all wild theories which

1974
01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:55,210
which go on and perhaps this is the

1975
01:36:00,720 --> 01:35:57,040
train of thought which has been

1976
01:36:04,110 --> 01:36:00,730
initiated by the phenomenon Jacques

1977
01:36:06,830 --> 01:36:04,120
Vallee is all this opinion example and

1978
01:36:09,660 --> 01:36:06,840
he's one of so much yeah ya know

1979
01:36:12,350 --> 01:36:09,670
including the abduction phenomena I'm

1980
01:36:18,750 --> 01:36:12,360
sorry I said that

1981
01:36:21,180 --> 01:36:18,760
they were Gino use the a word Jean

1982
01:36:25,890 --> 01:36:21,190
where's my soda drink it with lemonade

1983
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:25,900
it okay yeah - cinnamon

1984
01:36:35,180 --> 01:36:30,489
there's the many black phenomena the UFO

1985
01:36:38,669 --> 01:36:35,190
and its associated elements or

1986
01:36:42,990 --> 01:36:38,679
integrating like it or not into our

1987
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:43,000
cultural reference and and the shapes

1988
01:36:50,300 --> 01:36:46,449
and the performances are influencing

1989
01:36:55,050 --> 01:36:50,310
engineers and and aeronautical

1990
01:36:57,899 --> 01:36:55,060
specialists like it or not and and and

1991
01:37:00,540 --> 01:36:57,909
some people say that this is intended

1992
01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:00,550
this is dissing intended by you know

1993
01:37:04,740 --> 01:37:03,040
esoteric enemies play by aliens and so

1994
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:04,750
on no I'm not I'm not saying I agree

1995
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:06,610
with this but the fact that it's

1996
01:37:15,709 --> 01:37:10,090
occurring alien talk talk about aliens

1997
01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:15,719
no it's my opinion III put this in my

1998
01:37:22,770 --> 01:37:18,760
book and Charles walk the politics of

1999
01:37:26,850 --> 01:37:22,780
imagination that I think is really

2000
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:26,860
neither real nor unreal it's under

2001
01:37:31,470 --> 01:37:30,010
construction if you remember a terrible

2002
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:31,480
memory good

2003
01:37:37,550 --> 01:37:34,810
Adolf Hitler was being constructed as it

2004
01:37:41,399 --> 01:37:37,560
were rights around the 19th century and

2005
01:37:43,250 --> 01:37:41,409
and Nazism was being constructed right

2006
01:37:48,660 --> 01:37:43,260
throughout the 19th century until

2007
01:37:51,839 --> 01:37:48,670
unfortunately it erupted in the 20th

2008
01:37:55,470 --> 01:37:51,849
know what do I mean by under

2009
01:38:02,339 --> 01:37:55,480
construction well Darwinism it's part of

2010
01:38:08,189 --> 01:38:02,349
naturally targeted and the what's the

2011
01:38:11,879 --> 01:38:08,199
medical term for exterminated what they

2012
01:38:16,399 --> 01:38:11,889
call lower species lots of x divided by

2013
01:38:18,689 --> 01:38:16,409
fascist right-wing medical huge will be

2014
01:38:21,419 --> 01:38:18,699
formed by the 19th century and

2015
01:38:22,740 --> 01:38:21,429
integrated into Nazi philosophy now I'd

2016
01:38:24,399 --> 01:38:22,750
only talk anymore about this is

2017
01:38:28,300 --> 01:38:24,409
depressing and evil

2018
01:38:30,910 --> 01:38:28,310
and but I think that the idea of pink is

2019
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:30,920
being under construction it is a varied

2020
01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:31,280
one

2021
01:38:34,750 --> 01:38:33,920
it's a postmodern view a lot of people

2022
01:38:37,570 --> 01:38:34,760
don't agree with it

2023
01:38:42,430 --> 01:38:37,580
post those people don't like postpartum

2024
01:38:45,129 --> 01:38:42,440
or what they want like think call the

2025
01:38:48,330 --> 01:38:45,139
mechanically real now I think that we're

2026
01:38:51,220 --> 01:38:48,340
creating relations for ourselves here

2027
01:38:54,700 --> 01:38:51,230
technological Nations but I think this

2028
01:39:00,189 --> 01:38:54,710
is intended I think that the UFO is

2029
01:39:02,590 --> 01:39:00,199
being used as a platform to change human

2030
01:39:07,149 --> 01:39:02,600
culture you know in the widest possible

2031
01:39:09,820 --> 01:39:07,159
how do you prove it well I I do I prove

2032
01:39:11,410 --> 01:39:09,830
it I think I can demonstrate my opinion

2033
01:39:13,959 --> 01:39:11,420
I can't really prove anything

2034
01:39:20,530 --> 01:39:13,969
I'll demonstrate my opinion and that is

2035
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:20,540
you go you have a wide variety of if you

2036
01:39:29,020 --> 01:39:24,010
like you for culture from extreme

2037
01:39:33,250 --> 01:39:29,030
abduction scenarios to neatly fantastic

2038
01:39:36,419 --> 01:39:33,260
beings scenarios - to Chile in the

2039
01:39:39,250 --> 01:39:36,429
Internet age though eggs a political

2040
01:39:43,149 --> 01:39:39,260
domain all right okay so you're saying

2041
01:39:47,110 --> 01:39:43,159
basically that you support the aims of

2042
01:39:50,229 --> 01:39:47,120
EXO politics I don't support the eggs no

2043
01:39:51,010 --> 01:39:50,239
I think no extreme aids okay like that's

2044
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:51,020
my opinion

2045
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:53,570
they go on let them go on and do a thing

2046
01:39:57,580 --> 01:39:55,730
please excuse me my throat is capable

2047
01:40:05,879 --> 01:39:57,590
I'm going to have another drink just a

2048
01:40:09,939 --> 01:40:05,889
zone has created our whole culture and

2049
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:09,949
like it or not on one hand you have eggs

2050
01:40:12,610 --> 01:40:11,810
and politics you know the eggs a

2051
01:40:17,410 --> 01:40:12,620
politician

2052
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such as Vega and Stella they have no

2053
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:19,550
problem no you have no problem

2054
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:21,770
the aliens are everywhere they're

2055
01:40:27,629 --> 01:40:24,530
integrating with us they they're

2056
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:27,639
interplanetary dr. Poland's breach this

2057
01:40:35,410 --> 01:40:31,090
interplanetary galactic organizations

2058
01:40:38,229 --> 01:40:35,420
human beings travel to and fro and so

2059
01:40:41,240 --> 01:40:38,239
it's just unfair I said politics

2060
01:40:43,279 --> 01:40:41,250
it's time clastic as you like you know

2061
01:40:46,129 --> 01:40:43,289
princes like basiago

2062
01:40:49,129 --> 01:40:46,139
men capacity other negative pressure

2063
01:40:53,629 --> 01:40:49,139
politician said he finished most on a

2064
01:40:56,959 --> 01:40:53,639
DARPA the ARPA Time Machine vara yeah

2065
01:41:00,680 --> 01:40:56,969
well we're in the right world of extreme

2066
01:41:03,970 --> 01:41:00,690
pandas as you know you can you can scorn

2067
01:41:08,169 --> 01:41:03,980
extreme premises but extreme premises

2068
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:08,179
form the core of belief systems

2069
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:11,760
you know the whole human belief system

2070
01:41:19,580 --> 01:41:16,650
is being affected by these claims in the

2071
01:41:20,509 --> 01:41:19,590
other hand on the on the other hand from

2072
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:20,519
eggs their politics

2073
01:41:26,180 --> 01:41:23,489
you get Stanton Freeman the ultimate

2074
01:41:28,250 --> 01:41:26,190
wealth scribe scientists and it's and

2075
01:41:30,229 --> 01:41:28,260
he's encouraging things too from his

2076
01:41:33,259 --> 01:41:30,239
point of view and so what I'm saying if

2077
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:33,269
the UFO phenomenon doesn't consist on

2078
01:41:39,890 --> 01:41:36,210
life in the sky or fantastic aerial

2079
01:41:43,330 --> 01:41:39,900
maneuvers it consists of changes within

2080
01:41:46,490 --> 01:41:43,340
home believe spectrum which is

2081
01:41:50,359 --> 01:41:46,500
nevertheless and you like it or not it's

2082
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:50,369
changing the basis of human culture

2083
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:52,650
let's continue to move on here ok :

2084
01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:53,730
because we have some more questions

2085
01:41:59,930 --> 01:41:57,210
Chris this comes from one of our a

2086
01:42:02,299 --> 01:41:59,940
longtime posters double knot spy and he

2087
01:42:04,549 --> 01:42:02,309
he first of all says it he thinks your

2088
01:42:06,919 --> 01:42:04,559
books are fun and interesting and his

2089
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:06,929
his question I think is very interesting

2090
01:42:13,250 --> 01:42:09,840
and it's not one that many people in the

2091
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:13,260
field address I think and and you're

2092
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:14,880
kind of skirting around this issue of

2093
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:17,610
theatricality his question is not many

2094
01:42:21,919 --> 01:42:19,530
people in the UFO field have dared to

2095
01:42:24,259 --> 01:42:21,929
deal head-on with what I have come to

2096
01:42:26,419 --> 01:42:24,269
think of as the theatrical aspect of

2097
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:26,429
alien encounters that's fertile and

2098
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:28,170
interesting ground and Bennett has done

2099
01:42:32,270 --> 01:42:30,480
some good work there one part of the UFO

2100
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:32,280
universe that makes no sense to me at

2101
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:34,650
all except this theater or even camp is

2102
01:42:38,299 --> 01:42:37,199
the men in black phenomenon and double

2103
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:38,309
knots might be very interested to hear

2104
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:40,320
what you think of MIB reports and man

2105
01:42:44,899 --> 01:42:42,239
perhaps you have some that we haven't

2106
01:42:48,169 --> 01:42:44,909
heard of and he also mentions that he'd

2107
01:42:49,529 --> 01:42:48,179
like you to address the trickster ish

2108
01:42:52,649 --> 01:42:49,539
element that we

2109
01:42:56,669 --> 01:42:52,659
in the paranormal in general UFOs in men

2110
01:43:03,680 --> 01:42:56,679
in black cases in particular well the

2111
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:03,690
first thing I'd say is a miracle

2112
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:09,360
consciousness and it's capable of

2113
01:43:17,700 --> 01:43:13,119
producing the most amazing cultural

2114
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:17,710
scenarios for instance religion our code

2115
01:43:28,169 --> 01:43:22,570
isn't witchcraft and all kinds of as a

2116
01:43:33,959 --> 01:43:28,179
target sex our cultural theater the okay

2117
01:43:36,899 --> 01:43:33,969
yeah an imagination are always in

2118
01:43:39,930 --> 01:43:36,909
operation in culture we couldn't build

2119
01:43:42,330 --> 01:43:39,940
cities wonderful airplanes without me

2120
01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:42,340
amazing things and we imagine other

2121
01:43:48,450 --> 01:43:46,000
things we imagine magical beings the

2122
01:43:51,750 --> 01:43:48,460
great religious leaders are all

2123
01:43:54,450 --> 01:43:51,760
conceived of as magical beings and great

2124
01:43:58,589 --> 01:43:54,460
teachers are conceived on and magical

2125
01:44:01,169 --> 01:43:58,599
beings for the most part morality is a

2126
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:01,179
logical concept we must have a morality

2127
01:44:04,250 --> 01:44:03,610
yet we can't mathematically prove such a

2128
01:44:09,209 --> 01:44:04,260
thing

2129
01:44:11,549 --> 01:44:09,219
and so morality is a theater if you like

2130
01:44:14,939 --> 01:44:11,559
of the imagination which we can't do

2131
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:14,949
without we'll get into the imagination a

2132
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:17,199
lot more and if you have a comment or a

2133
01:44:21,029 --> 01:44:19,119
question about the power cast write us

2134
01:44:23,819 --> 01:44:21,039
and use at the power cast calm once

2135
01:44:27,089 --> 01:44:23,829
again that's news at the Parra cast calm

2136
01:44:28,169 --> 01:44:27,099
we will read each and every message we

2137
01:44:31,649 --> 01:44:28,179
get that's a promise

2138
01:44:34,140 --> 01:44:31,659
we have : Bennet joining us the co-host

2139
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:34,150
is Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg

2140
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:44,939
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2141
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hi Ted Anderson announcing a great way

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capitalism was Jefferson correct when

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stating a central bank issuing the

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paranormal radio and now here's gene

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[Music]

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this is our final four segments of our

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visit with : Bennett from his home in

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the UK the book is called flying saucers

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over the White House the inside story of

2176
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Captain Edward J ruppelt and his

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official US Air Force investigation of

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UFOs and now we're taking that as a

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starting point and going into other

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places because Chris O'Brien I'm Jean

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Steinberg on the power cast : you want

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to amplify further your response to for

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Chris asks another question this term

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men in black versus magical beings the

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great religious leaders the spheres the

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prophets they're all gurus magical

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beings yet mostly the planet relies on

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them for moral insight because on this

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program we've talked about technology we

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have mentioned you know we hadn't

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mentioned morality and morality is a

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great imaginative concept that humanity

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doesn't live by technology it lives by

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the rules of behavior forming a moral

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basis for reference now this is where

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technology needs magic it is an

2197
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expression of our faith and belief and

2198
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creativity but it must be more and and

2199
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and that next is rather complicated do

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you drop atomic bombs in there and

2201
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everywhere and technology and morality

2202
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in magic orb and round up the the great

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coaches our magical cultures Jesus the

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Jesus system is a magical culture now

2205
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show business is a magical culture

2206
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loyalty is a magical culture what

2207
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defines a logical culture it's a culture

2208
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of faith and not fact fact is a rather

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superficial construct which when you

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look at the clockwork is made of becomes

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a magical system science said oh well

2212
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push these silly logical systems aside

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like Jesus by royalty like film star

2214
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like glamour and mystery we'll put them

2215
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aside we replace it by fact fact is

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merely the fine tool version it's

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propaganda it's not flat at all it's

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built of conspiracies as a clock is

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built apart and when when you say

2220
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objective fact it's a screen for the

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conspiracies which are still there and

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still operative even though fact is a

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kind of consumer polished thing which we

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go by and use it a walking stick for our

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sanity okay goodness that it better

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myself

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[Laughter]

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well I you know I can appreciate where

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you're coming from we we all live in a

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consensual reality we all have to make

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determinations on where we're going to

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be where we're gonna place our beliefs

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and some of us tend to be more

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conservative and in are where we place

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that line others tend to be exopolitical

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and fly off plan tomorrow a chance they

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get here's another interesting question

2238
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:22,360
I seem to recall and this is from

2239
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Blowfish he seems to recall a UFO which

2240
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he thinks you might have said was in the

2241
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shape of a war to Lancaster bomber

2242
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yeah and I think I think it was a report

2243
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in the 60s that's that's question one

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and then he wants to to share with us

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your feelings about the new area 51

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roswell book by jacobson that talks

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about the the mangle a fantasy but well

2248
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what you tell us about that ID number of

2249
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a Lancaster bomber well is the fighting

2250
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I referred to some moments ago I I was

2251
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in my flat alone on a Sunday and it was

2252
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a strange day I went to Shepherds Bush

2253
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to see some friends of mine they weren't

2254
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now by no way I

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so on cinema there which is sharing of

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soft porn film cold sell on kitty

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now I went yeah I wanted to name the

2258
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conversion for you I want you to sing

2259
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when saw the film and I thought about so

2260
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my god am I getting to the stage where

2261
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my god I gotta phone cinemas when were

2262
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rancor across my lap and I told my god I

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gotta get at home and I buy some cat

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food at the local supermarket but he'd

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be the ending of this story is always

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boring is it I get to my flap and it's

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got a set of Victorian railings to the

2268
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right of it I look to the left and I see

2269
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a light a big light in the sky I it was

2270
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kind of if it was a real life it would

2271
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have blinded me I would have put up my

2272
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hands to my eyes but you look one of

2273
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those license and you stare at it and it

2274
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doesn't give you I take to my left I

2275
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then see this is this is the most

2276
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amazing experience in my life

2277
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the outline of a Lancaster bomber one of

2278
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the it's a world not well known aircraft

2279
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at the Second World War

2280
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normally I hover above and I look to the

2281
01:51:58,800 --> 01:51:55,690
left and I saw this ghost-like figure

2282
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very definite well a Lancaster bomber

2283
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of all things blacked out his engines

2284
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were not turning it was making no Sun

2285
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but it was a Lancaster power of the

2286
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usual size intention of such a thing and

2287
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it was hot it was still over the square

2288
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hovering over the square and I then

2289
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shouted down to the basement flat to my

2290
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girlfriend cold

2291
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I said current current current cono look

2292
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at this she came out across the basement

2293
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area mounted the stairs to the pavement

2294
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level and the light was still were

2295
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shining across her face

2296
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and I've never seen anyone so astonished

2297
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as current she and there was a fella

2298
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there was a light and there was coming a

2299
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mountain gate and then the Lancaster

2300
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bomber

2301
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most into a delta wing shaped flat chip

2302
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style UFO and shut off North at a

2303
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tremendous speed Karen said she believed

2304
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like I I looked at the light which is

2305
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still there and another light came out

2306
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of it did six waves of a sine wave of

2307
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all things and the deadest we were left

2308
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got it silently we descended the steps

2309
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to currents place our patients right and

2310
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now he's a number one trick she went

2311
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inside I went inside and there honestly

2312
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what I'm learning back I swear to you

2313
01:54:09,479 --> 01:53:51,700
and I am i I couldn't believe it

2314
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:09,489
he was sick UFO entity yeah he dressed

2315
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very well-spoken and he told us a tale

2316
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he come to see Alan God's tears but Alan

2317
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wasn't in and so he knocked on Karen's

2318
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door below and asked if he could stay

2319
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for a while until our return now let me

2320
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tell you it in Notting Hill anything can

2321
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happen and it was a godly level there

2322
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are 20 past 11:00 at night and while

2323
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this current let in a stranger I'll

2324
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never know and she doesn't know I how he

2325
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got in because it's a stranger not

2326
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believe me in those days in particular

2327
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nothing here was a good rough place

2328
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in the door and 11 o'clock at night to

2329
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strangers when she let him in and he

2330
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made polite conversation for a while I

2331
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was gobsmacked and it said took off his

2332
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raincoat and said well thank you very

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much but I don't think Aaron's gonna

2334
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come back now and so I'm a friend of his

2335
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so he went to the door and and kind let

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him out shut the door

2337
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I left across the room and open the door

2338
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this is taking a while to get to a

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finish we're gonna have to break here we

2340
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have caught in it the co-host is Chris

2341
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O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're in the

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can we just kind of wrap this up there's

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some more questions we've got to ask

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okay yes okay you wrap up this

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particular story before we get on to

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others okay I open the door and this is

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the most astonishing experience I like

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he wasn't there yeah the next day I saw

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this said Alan and I said him hey a

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friendly noise I'm saying last night

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that he couldn't find you I described

2451
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him and Alan said I know no such friend

2452
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of that like that so we're left with

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that the question walk I wonder when

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people talk I've learned about this for

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Nick read friends book new books on men

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in black

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I should tell our listeners that we're

2458
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going to very shortly have Nick Redfern

2459
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:21,760
on the show to talk about that book he's

2460
02:01:26,669 --> 02:01:23,650
a great guy he's also one of our guest

2461
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co-hosts Chris would you continue yeah

2462
02:01:34,140 --> 02:01:30,030
so what do you think on of the the new

2463
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Jacobson book on on area 51 and the the

2464
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alleged story about Roswell are you

2465
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familiar with it I'm sorry to disappoint

2466
02:01:47,370 --> 02:01:42,520
you I'm not familiar with that book yet

2467
02:01:49,430 --> 02:01:47,380
I probably am I reading this it's been

2468
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creating quite a controversy it has a

2469
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storyline of a an unnamed scientist

2470
02:02:00,750 --> 02:01:55,409
mentioning something about Eric

2471
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Roswell being a psyops program basically

2472
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or a psyops event with by the Russians

2473
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with the help of Joseph

2474
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mangle a and genetically children maybe

2475
02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:18,730
look uh no no no it's uh well Anthony

2476
02:02:25,260 --> 02:02:22,690
Bogoria who's a very intrepid digger has

2477
02:02:27,689 --> 02:02:25,270
found the actual scientist who did who

2478
02:02:29,129 --> 02:02:27,699
did not divulge his name but did admit

2479
02:02:31,770 --> 02:02:29,139
that he was the one that was quoted in

2480
02:02:35,310 --> 02:02:31,780
the book and so we do have a second a

2481
02:02:38,570 --> 02:02:35,320
second source corroborating that at

2482
02:02:46,200 --> 02:02:38,580
least that the the statements were made

2483
02:02:48,209 --> 02:02:46,210
named Anthony Boog Walia yeah these

2484
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fellows to Mars on a drop of time

2485
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machine

2486
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no no that's that's Angela's passaggio I

2487
02:03:00,600 --> 02:02:58,810
think by the way we have a bunch of

2488
02:03:02,370 --> 02:03:00,610
lawyers who hear the show every week and

2489
02:03:06,470 --> 02:03:02,380
they look for someone to sue hopefully

2490
02:03:11,310 --> 02:03:09,660
okay how about how about Bentwaters what

2491
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:11,320
do you think of how the Bentwaters case

2492
02:03:14,970 --> 02:03:13,090
has been progressing over the last few

2493
02:03:22,919 --> 02:03:14,980
years I know you're very familiar with

2494
02:03:25,890 --> 02:03:22,929
that case well absolutely

2495
02:03:28,260 --> 02:03:25,900
was a genuinely presentation I really

2496
02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:28,270
was what are we gonna talk about him

2497
02:03:33,240 --> 02:03:30,130
we're talking about the head Oh

2498
02:03:36,330 --> 02:03:33,250
American air base yeah it's got nuclear

2499
02:03:39,149 --> 02:03:36,340
bombs stacked in the shelters believe me

2500
02:03:43,589 --> 02:03:39,159
and he's got at that time he's God I

2501
02:03:47,879 --> 02:03:43,599
think f-111 something lined up this is a

2502
02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:47,889
serious place that you know could cause

2503
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:50,650
nuclear devastation and you know the

2504
02:03:57,419 --> 02:03:53,530
team in charge of it mostly well vetted

2505
02:04:01,169 --> 02:03:57,429
for their sanity and stability and I

2506
02:04:04,439 --> 02:04:01,179
have the commander-in-chief come out of

2507
02:04:08,459 --> 02:04:04,449
his lair of such a basis this you know

2508
02:04:12,930 --> 02:04:08,469
with all the security forces Jesus it's

2509
02:04:16,859 --> 02:04:12,940
something tremendous and and yeah I

2510
02:04:18,899 --> 02:04:16,869
agree that book by your left of the

2511
02:04:20,319 --> 02:04:18,909
Eastgate right that's quite a famous

2512
02:04:22,750 --> 02:04:20,329
book now about that incident

2513
02:04:25,239 --> 02:04:22,760
and I believe every news on it quite

2514
02:04:27,729 --> 02:04:25,249
frankly we still don't know what they

2515
02:04:30,160 --> 02:04:27,739
are because it is but we give week we've

2516
02:04:32,379 --> 02:04:30,170
got visitors we don't know what they are

2517
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:32,389
you know we don't have an hour how

2518
02:04:37,209 --> 02:04:34,730
advanced they are we only know if they

2519
02:04:39,850 --> 02:04:37,219
need regardless as neutral

2520
02:04:42,850 --> 02:04:39,860
I know these or anything but it's a

2521
02:04:45,419 --> 02:04:42,860
genuine phenomena and we have to do with

2522
02:04:48,609 --> 02:04:45,429
it as best we can

2523
02:04:50,830 --> 02:04:48,619
but of course innumerable creditors are

2524
02:04:52,540 --> 02:04:50,840
coming I just rushed the case there is

2525
02:04:57,970 --> 02:04:52,550
occasional wonderful wonderful wonderful

2526
02:05:00,609 --> 02:04:57,980
comedy by a leading at the time you

2527
02:05:02,140 --> 02:05:00,619
filed briefs you fathers who said that

2528
02:05:03,609 --> 02:05:02,150
they couldn't that the triangle things

2529
02:05:05,739 --> 02:05:03,619
seen in the post by the

2530
02:05:12,939 --> 02:05:05,749
commander-in-chief of Bentwaters was a

2531
02:05:14,770 --> 02:05:12,949
reflection from a lighthouse yeah that's

2532
02:05:17,459 --> 02:05:14,780
that's always struck me as being kind of

2533
02:05:19,060 --> 02:05:17,469
funny that highly trained personnel

2534
02:05:21,310 --> 02:05:19,070
wouldn't be able to tell the difference

2535
02:05:23,580 --> 02:05:21,320
between a lighthouse you know it wasn't

2536
02:05:26,410 --> 02:05:23,590
pointed in the direction of the forest

2537
02:05:28,959 --> 02:05:26,420
so you're pretty much saying that the

2538
02:05:30,970 --> 02:05:28,969
Peter Robbins book got it right that it

2539
02:05:34,989 --> 02:05:30,980
was a genuine visitation by something

2540
02:05:36,819 --> 02:05:34,999
other and that this is a legitimate case

2541
02:05:39,129 --> 02:05:36,829
have you heard of any other similar

2542
02:05:40,839 --> 02:05:39,139
cases in England this is of a part three

2543
02:05:44,620 --> 02:05:40,849
of the question have you heard of any

2544
02:05:49,479 --> 02:05:44,630
similar of landings or potential crash

2545
02:05:51,189 --> 02:05:49,489
retrievals in the Norwich Isles no which

2546
02:05:53,649 --> 02:05:51,199
Peter Robbins was written a classic

2547
02:05:57,700 --> 02:05:53,659
event it's a great book by Robinson and

2548
02:06:01,029 --> 02:05:57,710
I've been here several times and Romans

2549
02:06:03,759 --> 02:06:01,039
as a grew as a good analytic brain and

2550
02:06:05,830 --> 02:06:03,769
he does he he's dead right I'm afraid I

2551
02:06:09,220 --> 02:06:05,840
accepted as some kind of eyeball that

2552
02:06:11,919 --> 02:06:09,230
book and what he did establish my mind

2553
02:06:13,629 --> 02:06:11,929
was the genuine objectivity as a

2554
02:06:18,339 --> 02:06:13,639
phenomenon he only had something

2555
02:06:20,979 --> 02:06:18,349
peculiar out of human Kim that happened

2556
02:06:23,200 --> 02:06:20,989
in that forest and indeed just talking

2557
02:06:25,689 --> 02:06:23,210
back a few minutes to my seen that

2558
02:06:28,750 --> 02:06:25,699
Lancaster bomber I tell you these things

2559
02:06:31,479 --> 02:06:28,760
happen these things are seen because we

2560
02:06:33,700 --> 02:06:31,489
live in a mysterious universe and he

2561
02:06:36,430 --> 02:06:33,710
made me sound like a cliche

2562
02:06:43,060 --> 02:06:36,440
you say I apologize America for using a

2563
02:06:54,670 --> 02:06:43,070
teacher well join the club joining us

2564
02:06:56,680 --> 02:06:54,680
reach into the choir good case as far as

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Brittany concerned is right it's the

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most important you find content I was I

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was gonna say yeah I tend to agree with

2568
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you too I think it's one of the better

2569
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cases we have out there

2570
02:07:11,500 --> 02:07:09,860
come on the house of course it's still

2571
02:07:13,540 --> 02:07:11,510
writing about this they come and

2572
02:07:14,890 --> 02:07:13,550
information you know he's still he's

2573
02:07:17,140 --> 02:07:14,900
still working quite a few things about

2574
02:07:19,660 --> 02:07:17,150
the fact that incident yeah that was a

2575
02:07:22,959 --> 02:07:19,670
life-altering experience for him wholly

2576
02:07:25,390 --> 02:07:22,969
changed his reality of you know in

2577
02:07:27,220 --> 02:07:25,400
reality this is the object of the

2578
02:07:29,440 --> 02:07:27,230
phenomena and then it changed the

2579
02:07:32,440 --> 02:07:29,450
reality view and certainly changed my

2580
02:07:35,320 --> 02:07:32,450
reaction to a million there wasn't a

2581
02:07:38,620 --> 02:07:35,330
cause Ben Walton sadly changed changed

2582
02:07:41,200 --> 02:07:38,630
mine that occasionally you know we we

2583
02:07:44,530 --> 02:07:41,210
going to into that you know did this

2584
02:07:46,390 --> 02:07:44,540
amazing financial experience yeah I have

2585
02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:46,400
a very similar experience where I was

2586
02:07:50,620 --> 02:07:47,930
told about an antique

2587
02:07:53,229 --> 02:07:50,630
you know 1950 helicopter flying over a

2588
02:07:54,670 --> 02:07:53,239
ranch with a strange yellow color in the

2589
02:07:57,370 --> 02:07:54,680
following morning as I'm typing up my

2590
02:07:59,560 --> 02:07:57,380
notes from you know interviewing the the

2591
02:08:01,479 --> 02:07:59,570
witnesses to this event 13 years prior

2592
02:08:03,130 --> 02:08:01,489
I'm typing up my notes and what flies

2593
02:08:05,530 --> 02:08:03,140
over my house but an antique yellow

2594
02:08:08,650 --> 02:08:05,540
helicopter in broad daylight I totally

2595
02:08:10,630 --> 02:08:08,660
yeah absolutely blew me out of the water

2596
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:10,640
I've never been the same sense as gene

2597
02:08:23,050 --> 02:08:21,520
that you're going Spungen noted that say

2598
02:08:25,750 --> 02:08:23,060
well we'll get into more theatricality

2599
02:08:27,910 --> 02:08:25,760
and a lot more next week it'll be about

2600
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men and black with none other than

2601
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Nicolas Redfern : Ben enjoins us the

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co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

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Bennett let me ask that quick question

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because we have a few more subjects to

2715
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cover before we let you go and that is

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is a lot of what we see with regard to

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UFOs all theatricality and the part of

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someone or something well I wrote an

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article for I like writing it for you my

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magazine you know and my view is that of

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the cargo cult you watch yeah you know

2722
02:13:57,880 --> 02:13:53,090
join you know the cargo cult yes oh yeah

2723
02:14:00,380 --> 02:13:57,890
well well when the natives first saw

2724
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American servicemen in second world war

2725
02:14:07,630 --> 02:14:03,450
the first thing they noticed were the

2726
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colored labels on tins of spam yeah and

2727
02:14:15,010 --> 02:14:10,950
they they asked the American troops

2728
02:14:20,360 --> 02:14:15,020
where was this Lind of glowing one

2729
02:14:23,870 --> 02:14:20,370
Californian girls with holding tins of

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02:14:28,250 --> 02:14:23,880
stem and the Americans said oh that's

2731
02:14:30,710 --> 02:14:28,260
just in in in in pigeon that's just not

2732
02:14:32,930 --> 02:14:30,720
a nonsense it doesn't exist but you only

2733
02:14:34,100 --> 02:14:32,940
you're eating the spare munching when

2734
02:14:39,200 --> 02:14:34,110
you're making a stand

2735
02:14:42,500 --> 02:14:39,210
are you also eating the girl this

2736
02:14:45,350 --> 02:14:42,510
cultural confusion is not that nature

2737
02:14:49,880 --> 02:14:45,360
are you eating the go right that's an

2738
02:14:53,180 --> 02:14:49,890
interesting analogy yeah I put forward a

2739
02:14:56,360 --> 02:14:53,190
scenario whereby a film company I wanted

2740
02:14:59,870 --> 02:14:56,370
to illustrate the confusions that can

2741
02:15:03,140 --> 02:14:59,880
occur in cross-cultural reference with

2742
02:15:06,260 --> 02:15:03,150
regard to theatricality supposing a film

2743
02:15:08,930 --> 02:15:06,270
company I imagine came to this island

2744
02:15:09,770 --> 02:15:08,940
where there's no burning somebody's

2745
02:15:15,780 --> 02:15:09,780
running

2746
02:15:17,910 --> 02:15:15,790
and they and when the radios hoping for

2747
02:15:20,570 --> 02:15:17,920
the Americans to come back and bring in

2748
02:15:25,200 --> 02:15:20,580
spam and pictures a California girl

2749
02:15:28,560 --> 02:15:25,210
surprising his film company is making a

2750
02:15:32,970 --> 02:15:28,570
waffle and supposing they they want a

2751
02:15:36,570 --> 02:15:32,980
Japanese zero a mosquito or several

2752
02:15:39,330 --> 02:15:36,580
other American types in the air you

2753
02:15:42,930 --> 02:15:39,340
can't get them these days so what you do

2754
02:15:47,220 --> 02:15:42,940
is to get light aircraft and lock them

2755
02:15:52,229 --> 02:15:47,230
up as verus etc and and thunder bolts

2756
02:15:54,840 --> 02:15:52,239
and various types so tight okay so that

2757
02:15:57,689 --> 02:15:54,850
yeah you're looking at illusion art

2758
02:16:01,890 --> 02:15:57,699
renewing and supposing one of these

2759
02:16:04,260 --> 02:16:01,900
aircraft crashes with real courses your

2760
02:16:07,260 --> 02:16:04,270
injury illusion artery illusion with the

2761
02:16:09,419 --> 02:16:07,270
ancient pilot get on you know what I'm

2762
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:09,429
going to say quite briefly if we don't

2763
02:16:13,890 --> 02:16:10,810
quite know what we're looking at

2764
02:16:15,959 --> 02:16:13,900
hello yes we don't quite know what we're

2765
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:15,969
looking at now supposing in this film

2766
02:16:21,450 --> 02:16:18,250
there's a lot waving force comes in from

2767
02:16:22,860 --> 02:16:21,460
the sea and some of them are at get its

2768
02:16:25,709 --> 02:16:22,870
courses they're not really courses

2769
02:16:27,870 --> 02:16:25,719
they're just acting its courses and then

2770
02:16:30,959 --> 02:16:27,880
you see the court the real courses from

2771
02:16:32,790 --> 02:16:30,969
the aircraft they are real courses but

2772
02:16:35,490 --> 02:16:32,800
you can't distinguish between the phony

2773
02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:35,500
corpse on the real course now this is a

2774
02:16:44,250 --> 02:16:40,210
very quick example as to they're going

2775
02:16:46,620 --> 02:16:44,260
to go back home are these cross

2776
02:16:48,870 --> 02:16:46,630
reference allusions and they're going to

2777
02:16:51,629 --> 02:16:48,880
build models of them this is what they

2778
02:16:54,450 --> 02:16:51,639
did in cargo cults and they got very

2779
02:16:55,410 --> 02:16:54,460
confused I mean an American radio set

2780
02:16:59,310 --> 02:16:55,420
dog a bamboo

2781
02:17:02,310 --> 02:16:59,320
these are going to work and and them

2782
02:17:04,650 --> 02:17:02,320
allow you twist the knobs and therefore

2783
02:17:08,040 --> 02:17:04,660
they got very angry and said you fooled

2784
02:17:13,520 --> 02:17:08,050
us with this operation

2785
02:17:17,419 --> 02:17:13,530
you stopped working kinda reminds me of

2786
02:17:20,070 --> 02:17:17,429
trying to look for et with radio tell us

2787
02:17:21,969 --> 02:17:20,080
okay Colin one of our moderators on the

2788
02:17:24,939 --> 02:17:21,979
forum Angelo

2789
02:17:27,819 --> 02:17:24,949
is a an unopened minded skeptic of sorts

2790
02:17:29,679 --> 02:17:27,829
and he asked the you know your typical

2791
02:17:32,169 --> 02:17:29,689
kind of skeptical question and that is

2792
02:17:34,899 --> 02:17:32,179
millions of people have smartphones that

2793
02:17:36,910 --> 02:17:34,909
are able to shoot high def video with so

2794
02:17:39,309 --> 02:17:36,920
many cameras out in the wild why are

2795
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:39,319
there no good photos or videos of UFOs

2796
02:17:47,830 --> 02:17:41,210
or at least none that leave nothing to

2797
02:17:50,979 --> 02:17:47,840
the imagination well when you're

2798
02:17:54,910 --> 02:17:50,989
photographing something which has one

2799
02:18:00,580 --> 02:17:54,920
foot in one dimension when another foot

2800
02:18:02,950 --> 02:18:00,590
in quite a different dimension showing

2801
02:18:05,290 --> 02:18:02,960
that : you're assuming it has one foot

2802
02:18:07,299 --> 02:18:05,300
in this dimension and the next one

2803
02:18:10,029 --> 02:18:07,309
on what basis do you make that

2804
02:18:13,479 --> 02:18:10,039
conclusion well there are eight

2805
02:18:16,239 --> 02:18:13,489
dimensions I'm the youth oh well that's

2806
02:18:19,649 --> 02:18:16,249
another consumption here okay how do you

2807
02:18:35,279 --> 02:18:19,659
know there are esoteric dimensions

2808
02:18:39,939 --> 02:18:35,289
because wishes work go ahead

2809
02:18:42,939 --> 02:18:39,949
season one okay we live in a moral and

2810
02:18:45,849 --> 02:18:42,949
imaginative dimension we don't live in a

2811
02:18:48,519 --> 02:18:45,859
factual gun mentioned completely we'll

2812
02:18:51,639 --> 02:18:48,529
make irrational assumptions which are

2813
02:18:53,319 --> 02:18:51,649
the basis of our moral dimension it is

2814
02:18:55,330 --> 02:18:53,329
like the words that have to do with

2815
02:18:58,000 --> 02:18:55,340
other dimensions just because we're

2816
02:19:02,559 --> 02:18:58,010
emotional and we screw up these are

2817
02:19:05,739 --> 02:19:02,569
other dimensions how their affections

2818
02:19:08,979 --> 02:19:05,749
and our powerful things and the belief

2819
02:19:11,290 --> 02:19:08,989
systems which throws the world and give

2820
02:19:14,080 --> 02:19:11,300
us our moral basis they their own

2821
02:19:16,779 --> 02:19:14,090
consistent of dimensions other than a

2822
02:19:18,489 --> 02:19:16,789
mechanical dimension you know I'm sure

2823
02:19:20,649 --> 02:19:18,499
that you don't live by the chemical

2824
02:19:22,929 --> 02:19:20,659
dimension if you say you do I don't

2825
02:19:26,439 --> 02:19:22,939
believe you you know you you you you are

2826
02:19:29,979 --> 02:19:26,449
irrational at times you are consumed by

2827
02:19:32,500 --> 02:19:29,989
emotion at times you cry at times you

2828
02:19:35,469 --> 02:19:32,510
laugh at times all these things are

2829
02:19:38,529 --> 02:19:35,479
moral dimensions you are moved

2830
02:19:40,959 --> 02:19:38,539
powerfully by human beings the things

2831
02:19:42,819 --> 02:19:40,969
they say you can't prove anything about

2832
02:19:45,849 --> 02:19:42,829
human disease in an argument like this

2833
02:19:47,769 --> 02:19:45,859
but you couldn't live without them you

2834
02:19:54,639 --> 02:19:47,779
couldn't live without these envelopes of

2835
02:19:57,939 --> 02:19:54,649
irrationality of emotion of concern for

2836
02:20:00,809 --> 02:19:57,949
other human beings when you sell hello

2837
02:20:03,010 --> 02:20:00,819
well that's that's that's kind of a it's

2838
02:20:06,510 --> 02:20:03,020
your what you're doing is you're you're

2839
02:20:09,219 --> 02:20:06,520
kind of avoiding a mechanistic

2840
02:20:11,800 --> 02:20:09,229
definition of dimension we go in terms

2841
02:20:14,019 --> 02:20:11,810
of height width and depth you're looking

2842
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:14,029
at consciousness as being its own sort

2843
02:20:20,139 --> 02:20:17,050
of separate dimension in and of itself

2844
02:20:22,179 --> 02:20:20,149
look it's fine so a small child

2845
02:20:23,800 --> 02:20:22,189
wandering by the canal one day I was

2846
02:20:25,779 --> 02:20:23,810
down the walk I wouldn't pick it up and

2847
02:20:28,420 --> 02:20:25,789
throwing in the water my thumb that's

2848
02:20:32,019 --> 02:20:28,430
because I'm a moral creature you know I

2849
02:20:34,809 --> 02:20:32,029
I think the life is family and and

2850
02:20:37,090 --> 02:20:34,819
wonderful and the imagination and at

2851
02:20:39,609 --> 02:20:37,100
full of imagination and love and these

2852
02:20:41,410 --> 02:20:39,619
are other dimensions to me

2853
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:41,420
because you know something like a

2854
02:20:47,139 --> 02:20:43,520
nursery I don't pitcher they need 90

2855
02:20:52,080 --> 02:20:47,149
foundation yes there was no noise they

2856
02:20:56,050 --> 02:20:52,090
hated no and I think that the aspects of

2857
02:20:59,920 --> 02:20:56,060
the UFO phenomenon or teaching us to

2858
02:21:03,040 --> 02:20:59,930
remember and cherish that sense of

2859
02:21:04,630 --> 02:21:03,050
wonder now that raises a more

2860
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:04,640
interesting question here which goes

2861
02:21:08,859 --> 02:21:07,010
back to something I'm often accused of

2862
02:21:11,380 --> 02:21:08,869
saying over and over again something

2863
02:21:14,739 --> 02:21:11,390
that Ray Palmer once said in flying

2864
02:21:16,870 --> 02:21:14,749
saucers magazine flying saucers are here

2865
02:21:19,420 --> 02:21:16,880
to make us think so I gather this is the

2866
02:21:23,109 --> 02:21:19,430
impression that you create with what you

2867
02:21:25,540 --> 02:21:23,119
say indeed yes yes yeah that puts it in

2868
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:25,550
a nutshell and we've been thinking for

2869
02:21:29,889 --> 02:21:28,010
the past two hours I don't think I think

2870
02:21:32,950 --> 02:21:29,899
that this thing it's been profitable and

2871
02:21:35,139 --> 02:21:32,960
I've enjoyed it and and and these are

2872
02:21:38,170 --> 02:21:35,149
fascinating nothing more fascinating

2873
02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:38,180
than this kind of discussion you know

2874
02:21:46,179 --> 02:21:40,970
because it it leads you into so many

2875
02:21:49,240 --> 02:21:46,189
areas technology morality imagination

2876
02:21:55,420 --> 02:21:49,250
and we could of course

2877
02:21:56,740 --> 02:21:55,430
the being seeded by this fly : and we

2878
02:21:59,019 --> 02:21:56,750
kind of have to move it up here that

2879
02:22:01,599 --> 02:21:59,029
would imply : that maybe it doesn't

2880
02:22:05,110 --> 02:22:01,609
matter whether or not we find an

2881
02:22:07,179 --> 02:22:05,120
ultimate answer to UFOs that they are

2882
02:22:09,250 --> 02:22:07,189
here that we think about them that we

2883
02:22:10,870 --> 02:22:09,260
think about the possibilities may be

2884
02:22:13,290 --> 02:22:10,880
more than sufficient maybe like a good

2885
02:22:16,300 --> 02:22:13,300
science fiction novel that inspires

2886
02:22:18,700 --> 02:22:16,310
engineers and scientists to create cell

2887
02:22:20,979 --> 02:22:18,710
phones and iPads and stuff we have :

2888
02:22:23,050 --> 02:22:20,989
Bennet the book is called flying saucers

2889
02:22:24,729 --> 02:22:23,060
over the White House and if you have a

2890
02:22:26,800 --> 02:22:24,739
comment or a question about the power

2891
02:22:29,469 --> 02:22:26,810
cast write us and use it the power cast

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comm once again that's news at the Peres

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02:22:34,900 --> 02:22:32,930
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2894
02:22:36,820 --> 02:22:34,910
message we get that's a promise the

2895
02:22:45,400 --> 02:22:36,830
co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm gene

2896
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Steinberg you're in the Terra cast so

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2939
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2940
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2941
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2942
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2944
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2947
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2948
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2949
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2950
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2951
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2953
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great for the whole family even your

2956
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2957
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2959
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storage Dermatol is an absolute must for

2960
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2961
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2962
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2963
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2964
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hundred to one seven six six seven seven

2965
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2966
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2967
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2968
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2969
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2970
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2971
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2972
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2973
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2974
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2975
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2976
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2977
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02:26:00,801 --> 02:25:58,530
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2979
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2980
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2981
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2985
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2992
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2993
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2994
02:26:38,890 --> 02:26:33,840
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2995
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the GZ and Radio Network providing the

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2998
02:27:05,000 --> 02:27:03,360
and grey talk radio starts here and if

2999
02:27:07,220 --> 02:27:05,010
you have a comment or a question about

3000
02:27:09,320 --> 02:27:07,230
the power cast write us and use at the

3001
02:27:13,220 --> 02:27:09,330
power cast comm once again that's news

3002
02:27:15,261 --> 02:27:13,230
at the Peres cast comm : Bennett joining

3003
02:27:18,410 --> 02:27:15,271
us I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the

3004
02:27:21,020 --> 02:27:18,420
power cast Chris O'Brien is with us and

3005
02:27:23,990 --> 02:27:21,030
we're trying to put it all together as

3006
02:27:27,020 --> 02:27:24,000
people say so the big question here is

3007
02:27:29,930 --> 02:27:27,030
about the UFO experience and so forth

3008
02:27:32,120 --> 02:27:29,940
and so on that the physicality doesn't

3009
02:27:34,520 --> 02:27:32,130
matter so much it's more about what we

3010
02:27:37,400 --> 02:27:34,530
think about it how it influences us how

3011
02:27:41,990 --> 02:27:37,410
it changes us yes just going back

3012
02:27:44,900 --> 02:27:42,000
momentarily to my cargo count

3013
02:27:46,250 --> 02:27:44,910
illustration they see they built a radio

3014
02:27:49,190 --> 02:27:46,260
set aeroplanes

3015
02:27:52,370 --> 02:27:49,200
and crashing a whole religion about a

3016
02:27:54,080 --> 02:27:52,380
reflection of what they saw the American

3017
02:27:57,040 --> 02:27:54,090
culture bringing to the island during

3018
02:28:00,530 --> 02:27:57,050
the war and they don't bamboo aircraft

3019
02:28:03,140 --> 02:28:00,540
bamboo radiuses and indeed bamboo

3020
02:28:05,750 --> 02:28:03,150
churches I'll just end on Iran on a

3021
02:28:08,511 --> 02:28:05,760
brief note when researchers went back to

3022
02:28:10,460 --> 02:28:08,521
these islands in the in the sixties they

3023
02:28:13,340 --> 02:28:10,470
found these things still intact they'd

3024
02:28:17,060 --> 02:28:13,350
formed these falsehoods these patient

3025
02:28:21,031 --> 02:28:17,070
falsehoods of bamboo radiuses they form

3026
02:28:27,060 --> 02:28:23,371
in which you know all kinds of moral

3027
02:28:30,511 --> 02:28:27,070
views form heartbreaking pathetic notes

3028
02:28:33,421 --> 02:28:30,521
of England's papers was that on the

3029
02:28:37,261 --> 02:28:33,431
front of one of the bumble radio sets

3030
02:28:41,571 --> 02:28:37,271
with a picture of Betty Grable are you

3031
02:28:48,631 --> 02:28:47,821
I guess right yeah that's a point well

3032
02:28:50,970 --> 02:28:48,641
taken

3033
02:28:53,161 --> 02:28:50,980
it's just that Angelo is wondering you

3034
02:28:55,621 --> 02:28:53,171
know with all the technology we have we

3035
02:28:57,361 --> 02:28:55,631
we do have a a phenomenon that's

3036
02:28:59,551 --> 02:28:57,371
flitting through our skies that does

3037
02:29:01,470 --> 02:28:59,561
manifest it does appear to have

3038
02:29:06,211 --> 02:29:01,480
physicality why aren't there more

3039
02:29:13,020 --> 02:29:06,221
photographs and good videos of UFOs all

3040
02:29:14,701 --> 02:29:13,030
these photoshop jobs that we see now why

3041
02:29:19,411 --> 02:29:14,711
we've got more better pictures of Betty

3042
02:29:22,140 --> 02:29:19,421
Grable it's a good answer actually in

3043
02:29:24,060 --> 02:29:22,150
that that's an area that I have been

3044
02:29:26,251 --> 02:29:24,070
working on for the past few years and

3045
02:29:29,041 --> 02:29:26,261
that is the the trickster ish quality

3046
02:29:31,051 --> 02:29:29,051
that these phenomenal events seem to

3047
02:29:33,031 --> 02:29:31,061
have there's some sort of mechanism of

3048
02:29:35,220 --> 02:29:33,041
tricks tourism that's involved and in

3049
02:29:37,801 --> 02:29:35,230
and I think that that's part of the

3050
02:29:40,921 --> 02:29:37,811
carrot that is pulling us forward and in

3051
02:29:43,291 --> 02:29:40,931
expanding our awareness forcing us to

3052
02:29:44,581 --> 02:29:43,301
think in new in different ways so no I

3053
02:29:46,411 --> 02:29:44,591
think that was a very good answer it's a

3054
02:29:52,520 --> 02:29:46,421
very trickster answer but I think it's

3055
02:29:56,731 --> 02:29:52,530
very applicable to the pictures illusion

3056
02:29:58,680 --> 02:29:56,741
picture into the yeah young and you know

3057
02:29:59,970 --> 02:29:58,690
this is jock fillet 101 basically and

3058
02:30:02,511 --> 02:29:59,980
also a little bit of keel thrown in

3059
02:30:06,661 --> 02:30:02,521
there as well so so what do you think of

3060
02:30:08,581 --> 02:30:06,671
breaking down this particular control

3061
02:30:11,041 --> 02:30:08,591
mechanism which seems to be operating

3062
02:30:12,961 --> 02:30:11,051
how do you go about dissecting it and

3063
02:30:15,390 --> 02:30:12,971
breaking it down into its constituent

3064
02:30:18,631 --> 02:30:15,400
parts can you do that do we have the

3065
02:30:21,600 --> 02:30:18,641
ability to actually dissect the control

3066
02:30:25,651 --> 02:30:21,610
mechanism that's at operation here well

3067
02:30:29,100 --> 02:30:25,661
yeah approach to analyzing the trickster

3068
02:30:32,430 --> 02:30:29,110
element the control mechanism is to see

3069
02:30:34,950 --> 02:30:32,440
show business and royalty as magical

3070
02:30:37,950 --> 02:30:34,960
systems they make people believe

3071
02:30:39,810 --> 02:30:37,960
despite themselves glamour that's the

3072
02:30:42,541 --> 02:30:39,820
key to the universe glamour and

3073
02:30:45,360 --> 02:30:42,551
performance that these are the original

3074
02:30:47,671 --> 02:30:45,370
trickster elements anyway theater and

3075
02:30:51,020 --> 02:30:47,681
now we have more powerful things in

3076
02:30:53,400 --> 02:30:51,030
theater now we have we have obviously

3077
02:30:57,091 --> 02:30:53,410
your whole range of electronic media

3078
02:31:00,751 --> 02:30:57,101
which are putting images into people's

3079
02:31:03,871 --> 02:31:00,761
heads now this is the how of tricks

3080
02:31:07,171 --> 02:31:03,881
tourism imagine putting images into

3081
02:31:09,751 --> 02:31:07,181
people's heads already we have shown

3082
02:31:12,841 --> 02:31:09,761
business for example which is pure

3083
02:31:17,730 --> 02:31:12,851
tricks tourism you can't have to go now

3084
02:31:18,270 --> 02:31:17,740
and some pure tricksters and it's taking

3085
02:31:23,610 --> 02:31:18,280
over

3086
02:31:26,341 --> 02:31:23,620
you think sorry the science as now this

3087
02:31:29,490 --> 02:31:26,351
is my own personal view which the

3088
02:31:32,310 --> 02:31:29,500
science as a support mechanism for media

3089
02:31:36,091 --> 02:31:32,320
science have a technical support

3090
02:31:40,230 --> 02:31:36,101
mechanism for mounting media more and

3091
02:31:43,350 --> 02:31:40,240
more sophisticated forms of media to

3092
02:31:45,060 --> 02:31:43,360
project and control people's minds if

3093
02:31:47,190 --> 02:31:45,070
you could if you can put images into

3094
02:31:49,980 --> 02:31:47,200
people's life we have powerful images

3095
02:31:53,310 --> 02:31:49,990
you powerful images from television on

3096
02:31:57,961 --> 02:31:53,320
the web from everywhere Alma forming F a

3097
02:32:01,740 --> 02:31:57,971
CD overwhelming objectivity overwhelming

3098
02:32:05,780 --> 02:32:01,750
taste an opinion saturating humanity

3099
02:32:09,060 --> 02:32:05,790
with images which are sexy and powerful

3100
02:32:12,270 --> 02:32:09,070
sweet beats if you like which totally

3101
02:32:14,520 --> 02:32:12,280
take over our belief system take over

3102
02:32:16,801 --> 02:32:14,530
our imagining now the thing is this

3103
02:32:19,440 --> 02:32:16,811
control of the amazement if you have

3104
02:32:22,530 --> 02:32:19,450
controlling the imagination and this is

3105
02:32:25,650 --> 02:32:22,540
what the evil dr. Goebbels tortas if he

3106
02:32:28,650 --> 02:32:25,660
told us anything this point imagination

3107
02:32:30,900 --> 02:32:28,660
is everything please the imagination you

3108
02:32:32,541 --> 02:32:30,910
can do anything and that's the only

3109
02:32:38,011 --> 02:32:32,551
thing that notches and love to us a

3110
02:32:39,810 --> 02:32:38,021
warning hello we always hear hello hello

3111
02:32:42,780 --> 02:32:39,820
yeah we're here

3112
02:32:46,261 --> 02:32:42,790
we pretty much I think we kind of blown

3113
02:32:48,450 --> 02:32:46,271
all our questions out I I just I just

3114
02:32:50,700 --> 02:32:48,460
love the analogy

3115
02:32:53,430 --> 02:32:50,710
that colin is using here I think it's

3116
02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:53,440
very instructive one question that I

3117
02:32:58,590 --> 02:32:56,080
have is what sort of advice would you

3118
02:33:00,480 --> 02:32:58,600
give someone that's newly interested in

3119
02:33:02,490 --> 02:33:00,490
this field who's maybe a younger person

3120
02:33:04,380 --> 02:33:02,500
that wants to get involved what sort of

3121
02:33:07,440 --> 02:33:04,390
advice would you give them to ground

3122
02:33:10,320 --> 02:33:07,450
them to be able to approach this very

3123
02:33:14,150 --> 02:33:10,330
very difficult subject well I would say

3124
02:33:19,380 --> 02:33:14,160
read as much back ground as you can

3125
02:33:20,580 --> 02:33:19,390
before you before you go into it do you

3126
02:33:26,030 --> 02:33:20,590
have a list of authors that you would

3127
02:33:28,950 --> 02:33:26,040
recommend other than you say read young

3128
02:33:32,670 --> 02:33:28,960
dreams memories and your connections now

3129
02:33:34,920 --> 02:33:32,680
change your life yeah the myths of

3130
02:33:38,130 --> 02:33:34,930
things the things seen in the sky yes

3131
02:33:40,440 --> 02:33:38,140
yes Young is a voracious pointer in my

3132
02:33:44,750 --> 02:33:40,450
opinion he's dead years ago he's still

3133
02:33:50,280 --> 02:33:44,760
an amazing amazing linker and it's books

3134
02:33:56,300 --> 02:33:50,290
combine spirituality and science and the

3135
02:34:04,260 --> 02:34:02,640
then go go where from there start start

3136
02:34:05,490 --> 02:34:04,270
with you and get yourself familiar with

3137
02:34:08,969 --> 02:34:05,500
the idea of the collective unconscious

3138
02:34:11,940 --> 02:34:08,979
and and in the whole collective nature

3139
02:34:13,200 --> 02:34:11,950
of the human experience and then where

3140
02:34:14,340 --> 02:34:13,210
would you go from there after you've

3141
02:34:21,420 --> 02:34:14,350
read you and where would you go valet

3142
02:34:23,730 --> 02:34:21,430
akhil yes Jean King must burn prophecies

3143
02:34:27,719 --> 02:34:23,740
if you read the young first you'll

3144
02:34:30,530 --> 02:34:27,729
understand books like a valid passport

3145
02:34:37,770 --> 02:34:30,540
to ago near which a very important book

3146
02:34:40,410 --> 02:34:37,780
very important yeah okay so you're

3147
02:34:43,410 --> 02:34:40,420
suggesting go with you know the great

3148
02:34:45,510 --> 02:34:43,420
thinkers in the field before you get

3149
02:34:47,969 --> 02:34:45,520
into the the real artists like the

3150
02:34:54,240 --> 02:34:47,979
Whitley streamers and the the people

3151
02:34:55,590 --> 02:34:54,250
that write riveting narratives you pays

3152
02:34:57,660 --> 02:34:55,600
your money and you take your pick there

3153
02:34:59,790 --> 02:34:57,670
I'll tell you that's a good way to end

3154
02:35:01,980 --> 02:34:59,800
it that's a good way to end it : Bennett

3155
02:35:03,900 --> 02:35:01,990
the book is called flying saucers over

3156
02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:03,910
the Whitehouse : where can we find more

3157
02:35:08,761 --> 02:35:05,050
of the things that you do do you have a

3158
02:35:10,410 --> 02:35:08,771
website I've recently been ill on my

3159
02:35:14,131 --> 02:35:10,420
websites down it's been down for a

3160
02:35:16,830 --> 02:35:14,141
couple of months so I dad Doris but I

3161
02:35:19,171 --> 02:35:16,840
don't recommend it at the moment until

3162
02:35:22,860 --> 02:35:19,181
along this thing again I mean got it

3163
02:35:25,500 --> 02:35:22,870
updated okay well if you click on the

3164
02:35:27,240 --> 02:35:25,510
link to the book at the para cast comm

3165
02:35:29,430 --> 02:35:27,250
you can buy yourself a copy from Amazon

3166
02:35:31,500 --> 02:35:29,440
the book again flying saucers over the

3167
02:35:34,530 --> 02:35:31,510
White House the inside story of Captain

3168
02:35:37,020 --> 02:35:34,540
Edward J ruppelt and his official US Air

3169
02:35:39,570 --> 02:35:37,030
Force investigation of UFOs you contact

3170
02:35:42,360 --> 02:35:39,580
us news at the para cast comm the use of

3171
02:35:44,850 --> 02:35:42,370
the para cast comm Chris O'Brien can be

3172
02:35:47,790 --> 02:35:44,860
found all by his lonesome at our strange

3173
02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:47,800
planet comm our strange planet comm

3174
02:35:53,820 --> 02:35:50,650
undergoing the renovation by our crew

3175
02:35:54,930 --> 02:35:53,830
that's right it's instruction that's

3176
02:35:56,551 --> 02:35:54,940
something like that but you can still

3177
02:35:58,530 --> 02:35:56,561
get loads and loads of content there

3178
02:36:00,600 --> 02:35:58,540
Colin Bennett thank you so much for

3179
02:36:03,360 --> 02:36:00,610
joining us this week on the para cast

3180
02:36:06,450 --> 02:36:03,370
Thank You Jean thank you Chris and good

3181
02:36:07,950 --> 02:36:06,460
night to America okay I think he's left

3182
02:36:11,540 --> 02:36:07,960
the building okay

3183
02:36:14,761 --> 02:36:11,550
: Bennett has left the building now

3184
02:36:16,470 --> 02:36:14,771
Chris old friend would you please tell

3185
02:36:21,060 --> 02:36:16,480
me what he was talking about I have no

3186
02:36:23,341 --> 02:36:21,070
idea well you know colin is an

3187
02:36:26,330 --> 02:36:23,351
exceptional writer i really did enjoy

3188
02:36:30,690 --> 02:36:26,340
the book yup was over the white house

3189
02:36:33,421 --> 02:36:30,700
but honestly jean i really there was

3190
02:36:34,980 --> 02:36:33,431
quite a bit of it that it either went

3191
02:36:37,290 --> 02:36:34,990
through me or right over my head I'm not

3192
02:36:39,570 --> 02:36:37,300
sure which I'm gonna have to listen back

3193
02:36:42,930 --> 02:36:39,580
to it to decipher some of those

3194
02:36:46,080 --> 02:36:42,940
exchanges okay listeners the challenge

3195
02:36:47,610 --> 02:36:46,090
is if you know what : Bennett was

3196
02:36:49,410 --> 02:36:47,620
talking about through a lot of these

3197
02:36:52,320 --> 02:36:49,420
exchanges feel free to post your

3198
02:36:56,131 --> 02:36:52,330
opinions on our forums forum dr. Peric

3199
02:36:58,591 --> 02:36:56,141
ascom forum dr parra cast dom meantime

3200
02:37:00,041 --> 02:36:58,601
Chris and I are gonna sit back and try

3201
02:37:01,901 --> 02:37:00,051
to figure it out

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I'm still scratching my head there a

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Paris is a calculated presentation of

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making the impossible incorporated tune